Since I cant play FF 11 anymore due to school and other real life issues figured id sell the account. Ebay of course cancels anything posted from FF regarding accounts or gil so im posting here instead.
50 Elvaan Paladin
Full Set of Iron Musketeer Armor
Phalanx ring/ Vit Ring
Raptor Mantle/2x Black earring/Holy phial
Artifact Sword/Heater shield
Protect 1/2 - Cure 1/2/3 - Shell - Flash etc..
Over 300k worth of gear on the character itself can boost to over 400 defense. Level cap quest has ben completed and is unlocked.
No crafting skills cept a few in cooking and fishing.
Sandorian rank 4
Medium fame in Bastok
Low fame in windurst
High fame in sandorian
Kazham airship pass
Can easily solo any advanced job quest not already unlocked (sam nin bst)
Warrior sub of course.
Email me with questions or offers for the account, i wont trade accounts unless its perhaps for another game.
thedepth@comcast.net
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*calls the playonline police* "huh, what?, no im not doing anything", but really if you do read the user agreement your breaking it just now =).
Dear god I'm glad thats on a different server from me if some n00b ran around with a 50 Pal and couldnt handle hate or aggro OMG what a mean thing to do to people on your server dude!! yeeeeeeeeeeesh
Why are you trying to sell it for cash anyways? Keep it. You might play it later. By the way, its ok to still play the game. Just limit yourself. haha. I should take my own advice as I have already been getting the cold shoulder from the fiance. But I am willing to sacrfice.
Edited, Wed Jan 14 20:21:50 2004 by ZianWarrior
Edited, Wed Jan 14 20:21:50 2004 by ZianWarrior
Please realise that you can cancel your account and reactivate it and your character will still be around. They delete characters after three months of inactivity. You could just do this on and off until whatever issues you need to clear up are, well, cleared up.
Good luck.
Good luck.
And what's to guarantee to me that you'll actually give me the account information when i send you the money? Or that you won't call Square back in a couple of weeks and claim that the account has been hacked and stolen from you? Or that the account isn't a stolen/hacked account in the first place? etc etc.
Haha, hacked and stolen. I remember back in the glory days of EQ there were people I knew of that sold their accounts for 2 grand, then got them back uncontested. Why? Becasue if they say it was hacked, you the "hacker" have no weight in the situation. The current legal view is that a game is just that, a game. If you want to pay money to purchase an account from someone, that's fine, but being there is no pysical *thing* for sale, there is no law that is going to be on your side for the loss or gain of said digital property if the origianl seller decides he wants it back. Being the original biller, he can pretty much petition it and they will change passwords and give it back to him or her.
To be completly honest, I say go ahead and sell it. If some idiot wants to buy it and be horribly bad at playing the game and probably give up on it within 2 weeks, let him. As long as you are done playing, who cares... people will learn not to group with said paladin. This is probably an uncommon view, and yeah, it would be lame to die by having an ebayed or whatever char in your group who is terrible, but it's not going to ***** you over more than once, as you will probably remember this person for a while.
Also, most game companies I have run into in my 4 years of MMOG's don't really spend too much time checking into Ebayed accounts and etc, aside from telling ebay "don't let them list ffxi sales for accounts." As far as the 3 month wait period, again, from past experience this is the guaranteed amount of time it WILL be there. I had a friend quit Everquest for a year and his char was still there. Everquest also has the 3 month limit. The question is, what is more worthwhile, going in and deleting all the old chars and having someone come back at 3 and a half months and freak out? (based again on past experiences a very common thing is to quit and restart) Or just letting the char sit there on the hard drive? Usually it is dealt with as option 2.
To those of you neglecting significant others.. Stop doing that. It's a game... like a more advanced game of Monopoly. I can tell you that between deleting some stupid game and actually being happy in your life as opposed to escaping from it is a far more important than some stupid video game.
With that I bid you adeu. Best of luck selling the char/toon/avatar now btw.
To be completly honest, I say go ahead and sell it. If some idiot wants to buy it and be horribly bad at playing the game and probably give up on it within 2 weeks, let him. As long as you are done playing, who cares... people will learn not to group with said paladin. This is probably an uncommon view, and yeah, it would be lame to die by having an ebayed or whatever char in your group who is terrible, but it's not going to ***** you over more than once, as you will probably remember this person for a while.
Also, most game companies I have run into in my 4 years of MMOG's don't really spend too much time checking into Ebayed accounts and etc, aside from telling ebay "don't let them list ffxi sales for accounts." As far as the 3 month wait period, again, from past experience this is the guaranteed amount of time it WILL be there. I had a friend quit Everquest for a year and his char was still there. Everquest also has the 3 month limit. The question is, what is more worthwhile, going in and deleting all the old chars and having someone come back at 3 and a half months and freak out? (based again on past experiences a very common thing is to quit and restart) Or just letting the char sit there on the hard drive? Usually it is dealt with as option 2.
To those of you neglecting significant others.. Stop doing that. It's a game... like a more advanced game of Monopoly. I can tell you that between deleting some stupid game and actually being happy in your life as opposed to escaping from it is a far more important than some stupid video game.
With that I bid you adeu. Best of luck selling the char/toon/avatar now btw.
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let the guy sell his character... stop being such tards about the user agreement. stupid kiddies always trying to follow the rules.
I disagree with ambientcolours.
You said the word yourself, "digital property".
It is still property, albiet digital.
Regardless, when you sell something it is a "contract",
and if you take someones money you must give them
the item or the money back.
The people who bought accounts for 2 grand and
had them taken from them are idiots, and should
have kept electronic paypal and ebay receipts
along with bank statements. Sony would not have
done anything, but the court most likely would have
made the person give the money back.
You said the word yourself, "digital property".
It is still property, albiet digital.
Regardless, when you sell something it is a "contract",
and if you take someones money you must give them
the item or the money back.
The people who bought accounts for 2 grand and
had them taken from them are idiots, and should
have kept electronic paypal and ebay receipts
along with bank statements. Sony would not have
done anything, but the court most likely would have
made the person give the money back.
um, can i have all your items and equipment and gil. Cant believe nobody said that yet. hehe =/
it surprises me you made it all the way to lvl 50 but didn't notice on the ffxionilne.com or playonline.com website, AND in the licensing agreement that its a big "No-No" to sell your characters online (especially using Ebay).
Get a job... find another money-making scheme somewhere else.
Get a job... find another money-making scheme somewhere else.
I will tell you why they don't get their money back.
1.) according to ToS to sell or buy and account is not allowed. Therefor both people are acting against the ToS, giving neither credibility as far as the Square Enix is concerned.
2.) Why are the auctions and such always listed with a tagline that says something along the lines of "you are not buying an account, but are paying me for the time it took to lvl this character" The reason is that according to the ToS... again... there is NOTHING TO SELL. Virtual property doesn't physically exist, and in the eyes of the court, as well as Square Enix, you are buying and paying for *nothing*.
3.) So basically, because it is in the terms of service that it isn't allowed, you would have to take the matter up with the seller or buying in a civil court, as Square Enix has a contract with you and the other player that what you/they are doing isn't allowed.
4.) In case you don't grip this concept of virtual property not physically existing, think of it in basic concepts.
a.) According to ToS, it is not allowed.
b.) Credibility of account belongs to the original purchaser of said account as he retains all original billing records.
c.) Buying and Selling chars isn't allowed.
d.) Therefor Seller tells Square Enix "My account was hacked" They say... "Oh No! We changed the password and locked the hacker out, sorry for the inconvenience"
e.) Buyer has no footing, as what he did is against ToS, and basically qualifies in court as "here I am giving you money for nothing, I'm a tool"
5.) Final thought, I have nothing against selling accounts, in fact, I think it's probably a decent idea, because you are getting back some of what you put into it. 90% of all account sellers never intend to get their accounts back after they are sold, but you have to know going into it, there has yet to be a person who won a case against another person regarding someone buying an account and having it taken back. My final though is if you want to sell your account, and you intend to be fair and honest about it, it's a good deal. As a buyer of accounts, be aware that there are people that can very easily get their accounts back uncontested from the company that you think will protect you from this. I think one thing we can all agree on though is that buying accounts is a pretty stupid thing to do, both legally and as far as the game is concerned.
edit* That being said, yes, I think the idea of selling a char isn't such a bad thing, but will I ever sell any of my accounts? I have an inactive EQ account with a lvl 51 Shaman, as well as many other 20-40 lvl chars that I have all the intentions to just let rot. It holds too many good memories to think about some idiot using it and destroying any credibility I had in game. * end edit
(There has been one court case that has been settled benefiting the player regarding virtual property. It was based on the game "Hongyue" in China. The player went to court against the game maker because a hacker had hacked his account and stolen the majority of his items, the game makers had no intrest in who the hacker was. He asked for 10,000 yuan, which was the amount of money it had cost him to play the game for the past 2 years. Reluctantly the game makers ended up paying him back. To my knowledge, this is the only court case that has involved loss or gain of virtual property that has been settled with the player coming out on top.)
Edited, Thu Jan 15 15:54:29 2004 by AmbientColours
1.) according to ToS to sell or buy and account is not allowed. Therefor both people are acting against the ToS, giving neither credibility as far as the Square Enix is concerned.
2.) Why are the auctions and such always listed with a tagline that says something along the lines of "you are not buying an account, but are paying me for the time it took to lvl this character" The reason is that according to the ToS... again... there is NOTHING TO SELL. Virtual property doesn't physically exist, and in the eyes of the court, as well as Square Enix, you are buying and paying for *nothing*.
3.) So basically, because it is in the terms of service that it isn't allowed, you would have to take the matter up with the seller or buying in a civil court, as Square Enix has a contract with you and the other player that what you/they are doing isn't allowed.
4.) In case you don't grip this concept of virtual property not physically existing, think of it in basic concepts.
a.) According to ToS, it is not allowed.
b.) Credibility of account belongs to the original purchaser of said account as he retains all original billing records.
c.) Buying and Selling chars isn't allowed.
d.) Therefor Seller tells Square Enix "My account was hacked" They say... "Oh No! We changed the password and locked the hacker out, sorry for the inconvenience"
e.) Buyer has no footing, as what he did is against ToS, and basically qualifies in court as "here I am giving you money for nothing, I'm a tool"
5.) Final thought, I have nothing against selling accounts, in fact, I think it's probably a decent idea, because you are getting back some of what you put into it. 90% of all account sellers never intend to get their accounts back after they are sold, but you have to know going into it, there has yet to be a person who won a case against another person regarding someone buying an account and having it taken back. My final though is if you want to sell your account, and you intend to be fair and honest about it, it's a good deal. As a buyer of accounts, be aware that there are people that can very easily get their accounts back uncontested from the company that you think will protect you from this. I think one thing we can all agree on though is that buying accounts is a pretty stupid thing to do, both legally and as far as the game is concerned.
edit* That being said, yes, I think the idea of selling a char isn't such a bad thing, but will I ever sell any of my accounts? I have an inactive EQ account with a lvl 51 Shaman, as well as many other 20-40 lvl chars that I have all the intentions to just let rot. It holds too many good memories to think about some idiot using it and destroying any credibility I had in game. * end edit
(There has been one court case that has been settled benefiting the player regarding virtual property. It was based on the game "Hongyue" in China. The player went to court against the game maker because a hacker had hacked his account and stolen the majority of his items, the game makers had no intrest in who the hacker was. He asked for 10,000 yuan, which was the amount of money it had cost him to play the game for the past 2 years. Reluctantly the game makers ended up paying him back. To my knowledge, this is the only court case that has involved loss or gain of virtual property that has been settled with the player coming out on top.)
Edited, Thu Jan 15 15:54:29 2004 by AmbientColours
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paying me for the time it took to lvl this character" The reason is that according to the ToS... again... there is NOTHING TO SELL. Virtual property doesn't physically exist, and in the eyes of the court, as well as Square Enix, you are buying and paying for *nothing*.
Not entirely true, when I create 3D models in Lightwave those models belong to me and I have a legal right to control how they are used (this is how 3D model CDs can be sold and the publisher can sue you if you start passing out copies of the models on the CD)
That doesn't apply here though, your character belongs to square, you just rent a service from them.
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Since I cant play FF 11 anymore due to school and other real life issues figured id sell the account. Ebay of course cancels anything posted from FF regarding accounts or gil so im posting here instead
I'll buy your character's gear, just mail it to me in game and I'll send you a check.
Edited, Thu Jan 15 16:43:48 2004 by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
Square and the ToS and the EULA have nothing to do with it, unless you sue Square. My basis was that they would be able to sue (the acount owner) based on breach of contract, which still holds, but of course would depend on the court.
edit: If anything, the "Hongyue" case created precedence, which would support my argument further. You would never win suing square, because of the EULA and ToS, but those have nothing to do with the contract issue regarding the seller.
Edited, Thu Jan 15 17:14:21 2004 by NightSpirit
edit: If anything, the "Hongyue" case created precedence, which would support my argument further. You would never win suing square, because of the EULA and ToS, but those have nothing to do with the contract issue regarding the seller.
Edited, Thu Jan 15 17:14:21 2004 by NightSpirit
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Dear god I'm glad thats on a different server from me if some n00b ran around with a 50 Pal and couldnt handle hate or aggro OMG what a mean thing to do to people on your server dude!! yeeeeeeeeeeesh
I agree with this guy. Back in my EQ days (about 4 or 5 months ago, not too long) I grouped with not one, but TWO E-bay characters. Either they were E-bay characters, or they totally didn't know how to play their class (it was in the 40's, too far along to not know their role). For all you EQers, think tanking Druid... Seriously, he would draw agro, then complain when he did it, while still standing up there and fighting (no medding, just fighting.) And me, being the cleric, would be wasting heals on this guy... The list goes on, but that was the main thing. (also didn't know how to loot, and didn't know loot rules, etc...)
So yeah, it's a ***** to party with people who don't know their role by 50. Not cool by any means. Cool for you to get money, but it sucks the big one to be the poor people who get to party with the buyer...
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2.) Why are the auctions and such always listed with a tagline that says something along the lines of "you are not buying an account, but are paying me for the time it took to lvl this character" The reason is that according to the ToS... again... there is NOTHING TO SELL. Virtual property doesn't physically exist, and in the eyes of the court, as well as Square Enix, you are buying and paying for *nothing*.
Just because they put a disclaimer in their auctions, doesn't mean it means anything. Infact, it doesn't. It's similar to the disclaimers you'll find on pirate warez site or channels, where they put a disclaimer that you're only downloading it for evaluation purposes. Just because they put that in, doesn't mean it's not against the law.
And you're wrong. Just because it's a virtual item doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Things do not have to have physical existence to have value. Can you really not thing of anything that would contradict your statement? Websites don't have physical existence, but data on a hdd, similar to MMORPG games. I can write a book on my computer, and it doesn't have a physical existence, can you really say it has no value?
And you're obviously completely ignorant of the law. Just because something does not physically exist, doesn't mean the law doesn't apply to it. There are instances everyday where the court takes interest in obviously nonphysically things, such as emotional distress, and places a value on it.
Oh for the love of god, this has gotten out of control.
My point was, don't even bother with purchasing accounts. Moralpanic, your example is spot on. Your use of the warez sites really doesn't apply though, becasue time investment and the fact that people download things and use them illegally aren't even the same ballpark.
As far as something having value that isn't physical, yes it has value. What I am saying, and you seem not to realize, is that it's all relative to whomever it needs to be. To someone that has put say, 185 days on a make believe character, it has a lot of value to them. To 99.999% of the rest of the planet, you just wasted 185 days of your life on something that can be destroyed with a few keystrokes.
Then you bring in emotional distress... emotional distress and a video game character being purchased have nearly nothing common. A man is drunk driving and kills someones toddler. Should he be in prision? Yes. Should they compensate the mother and father of the child in some way, in most instance, very much so. A person sells a video game account for 500 dollars. Someone buys it, and the seller reneges on the initial agreement and gets his account back. It is a shame, but you know what? 99.999% of people are going to think this person is a moron for spending 500 dollars on a virtual puppet. Whereas .001% of the people are going to side with the murderous drunk driver.
So I am done with this topic, you can continue to evaluate and draw your own conclusions that are the accumulation of far fetched ideals having little in common with the topic at hand. Feel free to get in your parting shot, I can promise you I won't read it.
I'd stay and chat but I just snorted a line of coke cut with glass shards!!!! LATERZZZ!!!!111 <3<3<3!!!
My point was, don't even bother with purchasing accounts. Moralpanic, your example is spot on. Your use of the warez sites really doesn't apply though, becasue time investment and the fact that people download things and use them illegally aren't even the same ballpark.
As far as something having value that isn't physical, yes it has value. What I am saying, and you seem not to realize, is that it's all relative to whomever it needs to be. To someone that has put say, 185 days on a make believe character, it has a lot of value to them. To 99.999% of the rest of the planet, you just wasted 185 days of your life on something that can be destroyed with a few keystrokes.
Then you bring in emotional distress... emotional distress and a video game character being purchased have nearly nothing common. A man is drunk driving and kills someones toddler. Should he be in prision? Yes. Should they compensate the mother and father of the child in some way, in most instance, very much so. A person sells a video game account for 500 dollars. Someone buys it, and the seller reneges on the initial agreement and gets his account back. It is a shame, but you know what? 99.999% of people are going to think this person is a moron for spending 500 dollars on a virtual puppet. Whereas .001% of the people are going to side with the murderous drunk driver.
So I am done with this topic, you can continue to evaluate and draw your own conclusions that are the accumulation of far fetched ideals having little in common with the topic at hand. Feel free to get in your parting shot, I can promise you I won't read it.
I'd stay and chat but I just snorted a line of coke cut with glass shards!!!! LATERZZZ!!!!111 <3<3<3!!!
It doesn't matter if your 3D model is digital property or not. The point is you wouldn't get your money back for a couple of reasons.
#1. No one but Square-Enix owns the "digital property" that is thier characters, gil, items, ect...
#2. If you were to sell your character it could be conceived that you were selling stolen property.
#3. It could also be conceived that the buyer was buying stolen property. Knowingly, buying stolen property.
You tell me if someone buying a stolen car that has it repossessed is going to sue the person selling it to then. No you're breaking the law so you're SOL.
#1. No one but Square-Enix owns the "digital property" that is thier characters, gil, items, ect...
#2. If you were to sell your character it could be conceived that you were selling stolen property.
#3. It could also be conceived that the buyer was buying stolen property. Knowingly, buying stolen property.
You tell me if someone buying a stolen car that has it repossessed is going to sue the person selling it to then. No you're breaking the law so you're SOL.
First off, just wanted to say that you'd have to be amazingly easy to trust if you're planning to buy a POL account, because the original owner can simply contact Square-ENIX to get it back.
Second off, and I quote -
And -
Which basically comes down to "all your account are belong to us" and "selling or buying an account gets the account banned".
Second off, and I quote -
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SEUI (and, to the extent applicable, its licensors) owns and shall retain all right, title and interest in and to the PlayOnline Service, the Software and all Documentation, and will be the sole owner of any and all data you generate through your use of the PlayOnline Service, and you receive only limited rights to access and use PlayOnline Service, the Software and all Documentation, as set forth in any applicable license agreement.
And -
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Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the following acts and activities are strictly prohibited and shall, without prejudice to any other rights or remedies that SEUI may have, be cause for immediate termination of your PlayOnline account and your right to play the Game (or any other services) in connection therewith:
Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging “gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time, characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to, any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere in the world) through any means or venue, including, without limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;
Any activities consisting of selling, purchasing or exchanging “gil” or any other currency that may be used in the Game from time to time, characters, and/or Game items for value (including, but not limited to, any payment in kind and any payment in any currency recognized as legal tender in any country, state, territory or other jurisdiction anywhere in the world) through any means or venue, including, without limitation, Internet auctions or other online exchanges;
Which basically comes down to "all your account are belong to us" and "selling or buying an account gets the account banned".
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Your use of the warez sites really doesn't apply though, becasue time investment and the fact that people download things and use them illegally aren't even the same ballpark.
Your problem is that everything must be explicitly stated for you to understand the issues. I was just stating that just because people use a disclaimer in an auction, doesn't mean the disclaimer has any legal relevance, which it doesn't.
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As far as something having value that isn't physical, yes it has value. What I am saying, and you seem not to realize, is that it's all relative to whomever it needs to be. To someone that has put say, 185 days on a make believe character, it has a lot of value to them. To 99.999% of the rest of the planet, you just wasted 185 days of your life on something that can be destroyed with a few keystrokes.
So? What's the point of this? EVERYTHING in life is relative depending on the situation and perception. A glass of water isn't valued to me any more than a few cents, but if i was in the desert and i haven't had water in days, that glass of water would be priceless. A Van Gogh painting is nothing more than just some paint on a canvas to me, but to some people the value is high... and it can be destroyed with a few 'strokes' as well.
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Then you bring in emotional distress... emotional distress and a video game character being purchased have nearly nothing common. A man is drunk driving and kills someones toddler. Should he be in prision? Yes. Should they compensate the mother and father of the child in some way, in most instance, very much so. A person sells a video game account for 500 dollars. Someone buys it, and the seller reneges on the initial agreement and gets his account back. It is a shame, but you know what? 99.999% of people are going to think this person is a moron for spending 500 dollars on a virtual puppet. Whereas .001% of the people are going to side with the murderous drunk driver.
Obviously you lack the ability to reason properly. Just because 99.99% of the world doesn't see the value in the virtual item, doesnt' mean the court would not have interest in the issues. Like i said, i could spend a thousand hours on a website, and it exists in nothing but 'virtual space' as data on a HDD, so you're going to say that has no value? And i was just stating emotional distress as ONE of many non-physical properties that a court would interest in. Just because 99.99% of the world doesn't see value in something, doesn't mean the law doesn't apply to it, it does.
Point is, virtual items do have intrinsic values, just as a bunch of words on a computer, or even an idea. To think otherwise is just ignorant.
China has already successfully had a case of a gamer winning a lawsuit over virtual property. It hasn't happened in the US yet, but it will eventually.
NOW look what you've done, Mr. IAreSellingMyAccount!
Now people are going to get into a huge debate...
... And it'll be fun to watch.
Now people are going to get into a huge debate...
... And it'll be fun to watch.
What's with all the retarded remarks like "find a better way to make money" (ok, there may only be one, I didn't bother with ALL of the posts) Did you even read his message? He has to quit for social reasons, be it willing or not. You don't know, maybe he spent 120$ on a new vid card to play, and his parents are forcing him to quit. Can't blame the guy for seeing if his play time was worth anything. I'd never sell my ****, but I can't hold it against him for wanting too.
I'll not post the site (partially because I only half know the url) but there is supposed to be a site devoted to selling off your account or goods. Go there where trolls won't harass you for having to drop out. I'll just say the idea of idling your account is the best idea if you want to come back.
I'll not post the site (partially because I only half know the url) but there is supposed to be a site devoted to selling off your account or goods. Go there where trolls won't harass you for having to drop out. I'll just say the idea of idling your account is the best idea if you want to come back.
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