I've been leveling up my Bard a little bit lately and I was wondering how useful this class would be at higher levels as compared to my white mage. To me, they are both pretty much equally fun to play, so its more of an issue to me of how can I be the most useful. Which one of these two do you think would be more useful to a party down the line. Thanks for any insights.
Binsa, Taru LV30WHM/LV15BLM/LV13BRD, Bastok, Alexander
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Oooo...that's a tough one. I love having both around (whm for obvious reasons), but I would say go with the Bard. There are very few around, but are very powerful in groups.
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Tough one indeed. There seems to be less bards around so you might want to go that route if you want to be asked to party more often. Also, I find that sometimes a whm can be replaced by blm or rdm, but no class can really do what a bard can. However, ive found that a core of a pld, brd, and whm with 3 damage dealers seems to be one of the best parties around. I would recomend talking to your LS and friends and see which they would prefer you to be. On a final note i hear bards are extremely useful in BCNM fights. I may be a little biased in this answer.. =o)
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Why be one when you can be both? Brd/whm :) They will love you as backup healer and a fulltime bard ^^ See, here's the way it works...
Melee/tanks are frontliners
Whms are Melee/tanks best friends
Bards are mages best friends (and debuffing, regen, the boost in atk power, accuracy and speed helps too ;))
Personally I am going to be Bard/thf so that I can buff/debuff and do dmg at the same time. I know it's not as beloved as bard/whm, but I want to be somewhat original ^^
Beware the Whm/nin! XD
Melee/tanks are frontliners
Whms are Melee/tanks best friends
Bards are mages best friends (and debuffing, regen, the boost in atk power, accuracy and speed helps too ;))
Personally I am going to be Bard/thf so that I can buff/debuff and do dmg at the same time. I know it's not as beloved as bard/whm, but I want to be somewhat original ^^
Beware the Whm/nin! XD
Personally I would go Bard/Whm.
Please note, bards may not be as powerful as one may believe in the later levels (40+). Personally I would prefer a redmage in my PT post 41 (for convert & refresh), and overall they feel to be more versatile (Larger MP pool, Heals, Debuffs, Magic Bursts, etc).
HOWEVER, bards are a MUST, a definite MUST for BCNM attempts. BCNM is the rough equivalent of "Noble Djorn" in EQ. You kill him for phat lewtz. For that sole reason alone I would level a bard.
I think of bards as being the best true support class pre level 41, and 2nd best post 41 (In my mind, whm and blm's are not considered support, but required).
Although, with ballad 1 and ballad 2 working at the same time, I may be mistaken as to the role of a bard post 56+...
Please note, bards may not be as powerful as one may believe in the later levels (40+). Personally I would prefer a redmage in my PT post 41 (for convert & refresh), and overall they feel to be more versatile (Larger MP pool, Heals, Debuffs, Magic Bursts, etc).
HOWEVER, bards are a MUST, a definite MUST for BCNM attempts. BCNM is the rough equivalent of "Noble Djorn" in EQ. You kill him for phat lewtz. For that sole reason alone I would level a bard.
I think of bards as being the best true support class pre level 41, and 2nd best post 41 (In my mind, whm and blm's are not considered support, but required).
Although, with ballad 1 and ballad 2 working at the same time, I may be mistaken as to the role of a bard post 56+...
"Personally I would go Bard/Whm.
Please note, bards may not be as powerful as one may believe in the later levels (40+). Personally I would prefer a redmage in my PT post 41 (for convert & refresh), and overall they feel to be more versatile (Larger MP pool, Heals, Debuffs, Magic Bursts, etc).
HOWEVER, bards are a MUST, a definite MUST for BCNM attempts. BCNM is the rough equivalent of "Noble Djorn" in EQ. You kill him for phat lewtz. For that sole reason alone I would level a bard.
I think of bards as being the best true support class pre level 41, and 2nd best post 41 (In my mind, whm and blm's are not considered support, but required).
Although, with ballad 1 and ballad 2 working at the same time, I may be mistaken as to the role of a bard post 56+..."
Honestly I'd take a BRD anyday of the week over a RDM if I had to pick between the 2. Can a RDM stack every spell he can cast with a WHM? No. Can a RDM debuff monsters to make BLM moer effective? No. Can a RDM AoE sleep? No. Can a RDM raise ranged and melee accuracy? No. Can a RDM drastically reduce downtime that improve overall speed of killing thus raising xp per hour? No. Can a RDM cast group spells like mp regen? hp regen? No. RDM is a great job don't get me wrong. I prefer a RDM and a BRD in my party. BRD are hands down the best overall support job out no questions asked. I could go on and on one what a BRD can do a RDm cannot do but you get the point. Picking between WHM and BRD is tough. If you don't mind looking at the dirt all the time stay WHM. If you like moving all the time and never having to heal pick BRD. Remember a BRD/WHM is only an emergency healer unless you got elvaan rse gear or something to seriously boost mp.
"Personally I am going to be Bard/thf so that I can buff/debuff and do dmg at the same time."
You'll find THF sub is horrible for melee. Picking THF sub is only good for flee, gil finder, steal ,and treasure hunter. Don't fool yourself into thinking BRD or RDM can melee well enough to make it worth while. You can melee ok in the beginning. By 40th+ your wasting your time if you melee. Missing 5 outta 6 times to hit for 10 dmg on an IT is a pointless waste of time. Sneak attack will never come close to a THF main. You get a 2x multiplier for THF sub ver the 2x-10x I belive for THF main. At best you'll get enough aggro to get hit once or twice and force the WHM to heal you and waste mp for the 50-75 dmg you do with sneak attack. Just something to think about. Don't listen to me tho. Research it yourself. Try it yourself. I know I did.
Edited, Thu Jan 15 10:33:55 2004 by Xcalibur
Please note, bards may not be as powerful as one may believe in the later levels (40+). Personally I would prefer a redmage in my PT post 41 (for convert & refresh), and overall they feel to be more versatile (Larger MP pool, Heals, Debuffs, Magic Bursts, etc).
HOWEVER, bards are a MUST, a definite MUST for BCNM attempts. BCNM is the rough equivalent of "Noble Djorn" in EQ. You kill him for phat lewtz. For that sole reason alone I would level a bard.
I think of bards as being the best true support class pre level 41, and 2nd best post 41 (In my mind, whm and blm's are not considered support, but required).
Although, with ballad 1 and ballad 2 working at the same time, I may be mistaken as to the role of a bard post 56+..."
Honestly I'd take a BRD anyday of the week over a RDM if I had to pick between the 2. Can a RDM stack every spell he can cast with a WHM? No. Can a RDM debuff monsters to make BLM moer effective? No. Can a RDM AoE sleep? No. Can a RDM raise ranged and melee accuracy? No. Can a RDM drastically reduce downtime that improve overall speed of killing thus raising xp per hour? No. Can a RDM cast group spells like mp regen? hp regen? No. RDM is a great job don't get me wrong. I prefer a RDM and a BRD in my party. BRD are hands down the best overall support job out no questions asked. I could go on and on one what a BRD can do a RDm cannot do but you get the point. Picking between WHM and BRD is tough. If you don't mind looking at the dirt all the time stay WHM. If you like moving all the time and never having to heal pick BRD. Remember a BRD/WHM is only an emergency healer unless you got elvaan rse gear or something to seriously boost mp.
"Personally I am going to be Bard/thf so that I can buff/debuff and do dmg at the same time."
You'll find THF sub is horrible for melee. Picking THF sub is only good for flee, gil finder, steal ,and treasure hunter. Don't fool yourself into thinking BRD or RDM can melee well enough to make it worth while. You can melee ok in the beginning. By 40th+ your wasting your time if you melee. Missing 5 outta 6 times to hit for 10 dmg on an IT is a pointless waste of time. Sneak attack will never come close to a THF main. You get a 2x multiplier for THF sub ver the 2x-10x I belive for THF main. At best you'll get enough aggro to get hit once or twice and force the WHM to heal you and waste mp for the 50-75 dmg you do with sneak attack. Just something to think about. Don't listen to me tho. Research it yourself. Try it yourself. I know I did.
Edited, Thu Jan 15 10:33:55 2004 by Xcalibur
"Can a RDM stack every spell he can cast with a WHM?"
--- Heals don't stack, debuffs do. I'm not quite certain what you're saying here...
"Can a RDM debuff monsters to make BLM more effective?"
---No. But he can debuff to make melee more effective. I'm a 51 blm and don't mind missing elemental debuffs from bards. Like I said, personal preference.
"Can a RDM AoE sleep?"
--No. But why would you want to AoE sleep in an exp situation? Certainly you're doing something wrong. Any pull with 2 or more ITs = trouble, and can be definite grounds for immediate escape in the later levels.
"Can a RDM drastically reduce downtime that improve overall speed of killing thus raising xp per hour?"
---- Yes...? Refresh & Convert? Its almost like adding a 7th PT member with the increased mana pool that the group is given. Sure refresh costs MP, but it a RDM is never OUT of mp from what I've seen.
"Can a RDM cast group spells like mp regen? hp regen?"
Refresh > Ballad.
If Refresh > Ballad + Ballad 2, I don't know.
HP regen? If you're PT is working theoretically at its best, only one member should be getting damage, the paladin (main tank). Granted there's random AoE damage, but a Regen / Cure from a Blm can easily solve that.
I didn't mean to say Bards are without their distinct advantages. I just feel that the added MP the RDM contributes to the party lessens downtime and increases exp per given time frame. A RDM serves as a MP 'increaser' as well as a 3rd rate 'nuker', 2nd rate Healer and 1st rate Debuffer. A bard does not regen MP nearly as fast as the RDM does (I believe its 1 mp per tick vs 3 mp).
From what I've experienced on my own, bards > RDM levels 1-41. 41-51 (which is where I am now), RDM > bard.
51+, who knows?
--- Heals don't stack, debuffs do. I'm not quite certain what you're saying here...
"Can a RDM debuff monsters to make BLM more effective?"
---No. But he can debuff to make melee more effective. I'm a 51 blm and don't mind missing elemental debuffs from bards. Like I said, personal preference.
"Can a RDM AoE sleep?"
--No. But why would you want to AoE sleep in an exp situation? Certainly you're doing something wrong. Any pull with 2 or more ITs = trouble, and can be definite grounds for immediate escape in the later levels.
"Can a RDM drastically reduce downtime that improve overall speed of killing thus raising xp per hour?"
---- Yes...? Refresh & Convert? Its almost like adding a 7th PT member with the increased mana pool that the group is given. Sure refresh costs MP, but it a RDM is never OUT of mp from what I've seen.
"Can a RDM cast group spells like mp regen? hp regen?"
Refresh > Ballad.
If Refresh > Ballad + Ballad 2, I don't know.
HP regen? If you're PT is working theoretically at its best, only one member should be getting damage, the paladin (main tank). Granted there's random AoE damage, but a Regen / Cure from a Blm can easily solve that.
I didn't mean to say Bards are without their distinct advantages. I just feel that the added MP the RDM contributes to the party lessens downtime and increases exp per given time frame. A RDM serves as a MP 'increaser' as well as a 3rd rate 'nuker', 2nd rate Healer and 1st rate Debuffer. A bard does not regen MP nearly as fast as the RDM does (I believe its 1 mp per tick vs 3 mp).
From what I've experienced on my own, bards > RDM levels 1-41. 41-51 (which is where I am now), RDM > bard.
51+, who knows?
Binsa!
hehe I'm in LS with him. Will be there tomorrow dude, let's
go level!
As regard your topic... I'm gonna add even more doubts lol:
* bard is really cool, and it makes huge different in a party.
Downtime is drastically reduced, as well as danger, and I personally think its really cool having a bard playing while we fight, its like adding a final touch, like we are huge army and go battle.
If you sub it with WHM you can continue do what you're great at (believe me Binsa is da best whm (hehe btw I still remember when you were kinda n00b and sometimes I was seeing messages like: "Binsa casts cure on Goblin Leecher"... -.- but that's the past, now mobs, especially undead, are terrified of you))
* whm have teleport ^^. That and huge amount of magic (mmmmmmmmmmmm cure III and IV) plus the fact that you can sub a blm and destroy things (like the lil Attila the Hun inside you craves to do) are good reason to consider whm carrer to the end.
* personally I dont care, as long as we keep levelin togheter... do what you enjoy more!
rock on Binsa!
mauri
ps hey is it me or my post has too much ()? let me add more
(like this (and this) (maybe this?))^^
psps argh 3 days withouth playin...must...check...AH...must...
water...plants....must... kill...mobs...must...level...
Edited, Thu Jan 15 15:27:14 2004 by Maurizio
hehe I'm in LS with him. Will be there tomorrow dude, let's
go level!
As regard your topic... I'm gonna add even more doubts lol:
* bard is really cool, and it makes huge different in a party.
Downtime is drastically reduced, as well as danger, and I personally think its really cool having a bard playing while we fight, its like adding a final touch, like we are huge army and go battle.
If you sub it with WHM you can continue do what you're great at (believe me Binsa is da best whm (hehe btw I still remember when you were kinda n00b and sometimes I was seeing messages like: "Binsa casts cure on Goblin Leecher"... -.- but that's the past, now mobs, especially undead, are terrified of you))
* whm have teleport ^^. That and huge amount of magic (mmmmmmmmmmmm cure III and IV) plus the fact that you can sub a blm and destroy things (like the lil Attila the Hun inside you craves to do) are good reason to consider whm carrer to the end.
* personally I dont care, as long as we keep levelin togheter... do what you enjoy more!
rock on Binsa!
mauri
ps hey is it me or my post has too much ()? let me add more
(like this (and this) (maybe this?))^^
psps argh 3 days withouth playin...must...check...AH...must...
water...plants....must... kill...mobs...must...level...
Edited, Thu Jan 15 15:27:14 2004 by Maurizio
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bpfinsa
I leveled my WHM to 30 and chose Bard to see how effective I would be in a group. After leveling my Bard to 30, I am switching back to WHM, because, in the end, a WHM is simply the most important single member in any group. Sure WHM's can be somewhat replaced by say, a BLM sub healer and a RDM, but as far as "one single player" is concerned, the WHM is the glue that holds a group together (of course, only if theyre a good player)
Now, I find myself in a pickle. I have this lvl 30 Bard sitting there...why dont I sub it! YOu dont see much of that around because only one song can be sung at a time, and no instrument usage. Well guess what, I personally feel that subbing as bard when your a WHM only makes your WHM ability that much stronger. Everyone says go summoner sub with WHM but i disagree. Having one song for the group can really help...especially Army's Paeon II. How it works is, keep the group Paeon'd at all times during fight (Switching to Madrigal if they keep missing the mob). This DRASTICALLY reduces healing needs, ESPECIALLY combined with maintaining tank lines with regen. 8 hp regen every 3 seconds goes a long way. Of course, I may be wrong (probably) but groups sure love me lately :)
I leveled my WHM to 30 and chose Bard to see how effective I would be in a group. After leveling my Bard to 30, I am switching back to WHM, because, in the end, a WHM is simply the most important single member in any group. Sure WHM's can be somewhat replaced by say, a BLM sub healer and a RDM, but as far as "one single player" is concerned, the WHM is the glue that holds a group together (of course, only if theyre a good player)
Now, I find myself in a pickle. I have this lvl 30 Bard sitting there...why dont I sub it! YOu dont see much of that around because only one song can be sung at a time, and no instrument usage. Well guess what, I personally feel that subbing as bard when your a WHM only makes your WHM ability that much stronger. Everyone says go summoner sub with WHM but i disagree. Having one song for the group can really help...especially Army's Paeon II. How it works is, keep the group Paeon'd at all times during fight (Switching to Madrigal if they keep missing the mob). This DRASTICALLY reduces healing needs, ESPECIALLY combined with maintaining tank lines with regen. 8 hp regen every 3 seconds goes a long way. Of course, I may be wrong (probably) but groups sure love me lately :)
I appreciate all the feedback. Luckily, I don't have to rush to a decision on it today, so I'll probably try Bard to 30 with my linkshell and then make a decision based on what the shell may need at the time. The Bard sub to WHM sounds interesting too, if I can resist the urge to avoid subbing BLM for Warp.
The Red Mage vs Bard issue is one of the things I'm worried about. If most people just see bards as MP regenerators, bards would defintely play second fiddle (no pun intended :) ) to red mages until they get Ballad II and then it evens out. And convert definitely makes them more effective backup healers. But with sword madrigal and valor minuete, the foes will die faster and you won't need backup healing.... Very tough debate.
And Mauri... I heal one mob in the dunes and ya won't let me live it down :). But, yep, that seems like ancient history, even though that was just November. Actually, its funny, because in Khazam, I still see WHMs healing the mobs from time to time, as well as warriors accidently attacking the wrong mobs. Some habits in the dunes never die for some ;) But come back soon because the game just ain't as fun without Alexander's best fighter on my team. :) But yep, if I decide to stick with WHM, I'll level my bard with your DRK and will switch to WHM when my bard reaches the same level. Cya tomorrow.
Binsa, Taru LV31WHM/LV15BLM/LV13BRD, Bastok, Alexander
The Red Mage vs Bard issue is one of the things I'm worried about. If most people just see bards as MP regenerators, bards would defintely play second fiddle (no pun intended :) ) to red mages until they get Ballad II and then it evens out. And convert definitely makes them more effective backup healers. But with sword madrigal and valor minuete, the foes will die faster and you won't need backup healing.... Very tough debate.
And Mauri... I heal one mob in the dunes and ya won't let me live it down :). But, yep, that seems like ancient history, even though that was just November. Actually, its funny, because in Khazam, I still see WHMs healing the mobs from time to time, as well as warriors accidently attacking the wrong mobs. Some habits in the dunes never die for some ;) But come back soon because the game just ain't as fun without Alexander's best fighter on my team. :) But yep, if I decide to stick with WHM, I'll level my bard with your DRK and will switch to WHM when my bard reaches the same level. Cya tomorrow.
Binsa, Taru LV31WHM/LV15BLM/LV13BRD, Bastok, Alexander
Let me put this in black and white since some people haven't played BRD enough to understand how dtrastically different BRd and RDM are. BRD can cast slow via song. This stacks with WHM slow. Double slow = less dmg = less need for heal = more xp. Foe Requiem III + dia2 = less monster def = DoT = faster monster death = more xp. Ballad as it isn't refresh it can be cast on the WHOLE party. 4 casters getting 1 mp back per 3 seconds is better then 1 caster getting 3 per 3. Also it doesn't waste mp to get mp. Hp regen song is also faster then WHM regen. No mp wasted either. Why do people think wasting mp to cast refresh then wating even more time to get mp then casting a few heals then casting refresh again and waiting for mp AGAIN is productive? BRD could have everyone full HP's at the same time refresh had the WHM full. It's not to say BRD is better just BRD and RDM are needed in an "ideal" just as much. Ask any caster if they'd rather have a perm 1 mp per 3 seconds plus the occasional 3 per 3 from refresh and they'll agree. Targeting and keeping up refresh on 2-3 casters is very painful vs 1 click group mp regen. It's apparent some people have a lot of misconceptions about various jobs and that no matter what's say it wont change that but I had to try :) FYI There's no way you can convence anyne who's partied with a BRd that a RDM can enhance melee effecency better or equal to a BRD. It's impossible. BRD is the best, most effective melee support job out there. Made that way for a reason. Also AoE sleep in later levels is a req for lots of stuff. For one BCNM. Who wants a RDM over a BRd for a BCNM if they can only have 1 or the other? Everyone takes the BRD without thinking twice. RDM have group haste? Group melee accuracy up? Ranged accuracy up? Group attack up? Group def up that stacks with protect line? Group Magic resistance up that stack with bar line? Think the point is made :)
this is turning into a BRD vs RDM discussion ;-)
on that digression:
I am only level 26 RDM atm so what do i know. having grouped with a few BRD they are great! one of the things i dont like about RDM is that most of the casting is singular, not AOE/group.
RDM specific spells like gravity are awesome. RDM have most of the enfeebs/debuffs of both WHM and BLM and our casts stick every time. i think the point of the RDM is to fill in the gaps to 80% capacity outside of our enfeebs/debuffs. in a perfect group up to my meager level i would guess the best compliment to WHM and BLM would be BRD. however; recently fought a dragon with BRD, DRG, RDM(me) and 2WAR. it was great fun! in that scenario where we had niether a WHM or BLM i was able to fill in the gaps pretty well.
on that digression:
I am only level 26 RDM atm so what do i know. having grouped with a few BRD they are great! one of the things i dont like about RDM is that most of the casting is singular, not AOE/group.
RDM specific spells like gravity are awesome. RDM have most of the enfeebs/debuffs of both WHM and BLM and our casts stick every time. i think the point of the RDM is to fill in the gaps to 80% capacity outside of our enfeebs/debuffs. in a perfect group up to my meager level i would guess the best compliment to WHM and BLM would be BRD. however; recently fought a dragon with BRD, DRG, RDM(me) and 2WAR. it was great fun! in that scenario where we had niether a WHM or BLM i was able to fill in the gaps pretty well.
Perhaps I should put it this way...
Bards = true party support
Rdm = Jack of all trades
Keep this in mind. I never ONCE said the bard could not do what was mentioned in this thread. My argument is for the sole purpose of EXP PT's, I said in the thread earlier that for BCNM purposes bards = gods.
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"Ask any caster if they'd rather have a perm 1 mp per 3 seconds plus the occasional 3 per 3 from refresh and they'll agree. Targeting and keeping up refresh on 2-3 casters is very painful vs 1 click group mp regen"
I'm a 51 Blm, I'd rather have Refresh. If you're RDM finds it too painful to "click...target...click" then you have a bad/lazy player, and the same could happen to a bard who is too lazy to run over and ballad the mages.
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"Also it doesn't waste mp to get mp"
RDM has convert, and can refresh himself. Essentially he doesn't "waste" MP to get MP. I was attempting to argue that a RDM brings a HUGE addition to the PT's mana pool. His own MP + everyone elses increased by refresh.
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"Also AoE sleep in later levels is a req for lots of stuff"
Name one instance where you need AoE sleep in an EXP situation and I'll call you master.
I wasn't trying to put DOWN bards. I was simply saying that in an XP group situation I would prefer a RDM over a bard. BCNM, no contest, bard = god. I think the range of abilities that the RDM can do (jack of all trades) outweighs the capabilities of a bard. Maybe I'm wrong, as it usually depends on the player himself.
I've grouped with both classes and I've felt that a good RDM can perform a variety of tasks (again, jack of all trades) that proves to be more beneficial (beneficial meaning increased XP) than the bards abilities.
Bards = true party support
Rdm = Jack of all trades
Keep this in mind. I never ONCE said the bard could not do what was mentioned in this thread. My argument is for the sole purpose of EXP PT's, I said in the thread earlier that for BCNM purposes bards = gods.
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"Ask any caster if they'd rather have a perm 1 mp per 3 seconds plus the occasional 3 per 3 from refresh and they'll agree. Targeting and keeping up refresh on 2-3 casters is very painful vs 1 click group mp regen"
I'm a 51 Blm, I'd rather have Refresh. If you're RDM finds it too painful to "click...target...click" then you have a bad/lazy player, and the same could happen to a bard who is too lazy to run over and ballad the mages.
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"Also it doesn't waste mp to get mp"
RDM has convert, and can refresh himself. Essentially he doesn't "waste" MP to get MP. I was attempting to argue that a RDM brings a HUGE addition to the PT's mana pool. His own MP + everyone elses increased by refresh.
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"Also AoE sleep in later levels is a req for lots of stuff"
Name one instance where you need AoE sleep in an EXP situation and I'll call you master.
I wasn't trying to put DOWN bards. I was simply saying that in an XP group situation I would prefer a RDM over a bard. BCNM, no contest, bard = god. I think the range of abilities that the RDM can do (jack of all trades) outweighs the capabilities of a bard. Maybe I'm wrong, as it usually depends on the player himself.
I've grouped with both classes and I've felt that a good RDM can perform a variety of tasks (again, jack of all trades) that proves to be more beneficial (beneficial meaning increased XP) than the bards abilities.
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I wasn't trying to put DOWN bards. I was simply saying that in an XP group situation I would prefer a RDM over a bard. BCNM, no contest, bard = god. I think the range of abilities that the RDM can do (jack of all trades) outweighs the capabilities of a bard. Maybe I'm wrong, as it usually depends on the player himself.
I've grouped with both classes and I've felt that a good RDM can perform a variety of tasks (again, jack of all trades) that proves to be more beneficial (beneficial meaning increased XP) than the bards abilities.
I've grouped with both classes and I've felt that a good RDM can perform a variety of tasks (again, jack of all trades) that proves to be more beneficial (beneficial meaning increased XP) than the bards abilities.
Hell a BRD + a RDM = GODLY UNGODLINESS!
Brd/Thf is super cool. Just run through any area, find a beastman, cast Foe Lullaby, steal, and continue on your merry way. The monster will wake up with no one around and a silver beastcoin missing.
lol. I've leveled brd to 20 and a rdm to 24. At that lv range, a bard will ALWAYS win at support. But once a RDM starts moving back to the mages (post refresh/convert), his/her job will become a lot more beneficial than brd to the mages. A RDM is Pure mage support while a bard can be considered party support.(all at later levels).
As people have mentioned, it depends on party dynamics/player style(this includes how much one is willing to do)/and enemy type. There is absolutly no point to arguing over which is more efficient at later levels OR early levels.
I've never played WHM so I cannot even add relative content to this thread. I am thread jacka #1!!!
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