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#1 Jan 14 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
So here's the deal... I recently checked my play time after learning how to do it and discovered that I had 10 days of playtime under my belt... I didn't think too much about that because I heard others that had 30+ days of playtime since the release, so to put it into perspective i was a lvl 28 thf, lvl 14 mnk, lvl 7 thf with about 30-35 windurst quests done and had just completed missions to attain rank 3... I was working my way to becoming a samurai thief, but I began to realize that it would take me easily 20-30 more days of play time just to finish all the windurst quests and become a lvl 75 samurai/37 thief... not including the fact that partying aparently becomes harder at lvl 30 + and level cap quests are required before proceding beyond 50... I'd be looking at a good 40-50 days more playtime if I threw in Artifact Armor... and that's not including any other classes I might want to play...

So, being conservative and assuming 40 more days of play to get to where I would be content to put this game on the shelf (barring any expansions), It'd take 60 straight days to level one character (advanced job, artifact armor, windurst quests complete) to 75 and complete the main story line...

take out 8 hours of sleep a night and that time extends to 90 days... take out 8 hours of work a day and that extends to 180 days... now i realize this isn't allowing for weekends, but it also isn't allowing for grocery shopping, my girlfriend, other friends, travel, and family, so I'm hoping you'll agree that it'll even out...

So without giving myself any free time for anything other than this game, I'd be playing for another 6 months just to feel like I completed the game... and I'd most likely lose my girlfriend in the process (along with a few other friends)...

if i spent half my time on the game then I'd end up taking a full year to complete the game with a very upset girlfriend and band members...

I personally have stopped playing, and though it was hard (I went through stages of withdrawl... rationalizing, fighting, denying), I know that the rest of my life will appreciate it...

I know I will get flamed for this post, and just to let you know, my girlfriend did not ask me to stop but was relieved when I told her I was giving up FFXI...

My point is not to say that you have to stop playing FFXI... just to open a few eyes to how long some goals may take... I know my figures may be off for power gamers and that they may even be off for the ammount of time I would have needed to level my samurai/thief to 75, but even if it took another 10 days of time I know that personally it wouldn't be worth it...

I'm sorry if I hurt anyone with this post... but I think that what I have to say deserves listening to, even if it's flamed beyond belief... if you're playing, have fun and make sure the people around you aren't getting hurt... and take some time to look at exactly what you want to accomplish in the game before you would be satisfied to put it on the shelf...
#2 Jan 14 2004 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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From my previous experiences with MMORPGs this is fairly standard. People have been playing EQ for years.

I say just play until you stop enjoying it. I wouldn't feel like I wasted my time if I played until lvl 50 and then moved on to something else. For me it isn't a "I have to know that I'll be able to master the game or else I am going to quit now" sort of thing.
#3 Jan 14 2004 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Doru-

I feel for ya man. One of my buddies recently quit for about the same reasons as you. Just was taking up too much play time, not as much as some, but reading your post makes a lot of sense. This was my first stab at a MMORPG and I don't know if I like it or not. I enjoy playing, but not at the cost of a relationship/job loss or any of that. Square is serious when they say don't neglect family or friends, and I think that it's just hard. I have goals in the game I want to accomplish as well, but at the sacrifice of my real life. I don't think so. I haven't logged as many days as some, but I mean I've got a job, want a better one, and I've logged like 200+ hrs on this game. That's 200 hrs I could have spent drawing, working on cg(my degree and current job I'm an animator), so I'm in the same boat as you. Do I just throttle back game time? or give it up cold turkey? I would like to hear other peoples comments, especially those who have significant others, and would like to know how you deal with it.

oh and hello to all, this is my first post here.

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#4 Jan 14 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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I personally have stopped playing, and though it was hard (I went through stages of withdrawl... rationalizing, fighting, denying), I know that the rest of my life will appreciate it...


/cheer Dorobokizoku

I'm behind you on this bro. For me, I'm going to give it a few more months and see if I can play this game in moderation. If not, I'm going to cancel. It's crazy addicting, and fun as hell, but I'm beginning to realize that the cost to me to play is far more than $13.95/month, if you know what I mean.

One of my complaints with FFXI is, like you said, that it requires massive amounts of time to reach certain milestones.... this is probably true of most MMORPGs. My 'goal' has always been to max out my dragoon/samurai and all possible missions (don't care about crafting, magic, etc), which I used to think would only take a few months, but now am seeing that unless I sacrifice other things in my life, it will take much longer - maybe even a year or two.

We'll see. Like Dorobo said, not trying to judge anyone, just speaking to myself here. My current playtime is 10 days, 5 hours...etc. Have lvl 30 war, 20 sam, 10 mnk, 5 drg, 5 thf, rank 3 + airpass.... all meaningless values once logged out.

Learning to enjoy FFXI in moderation with you all.... ^^


<edit in response to post above>

I like to joke with my friends that if I spent as much time in a gym as I did in FFXI, I'd be friggin HUGE! Or, more seriously, if I devoted that time towards developing creatively like working on video/graphic design projects I'd be investing in far lasting things. Even better would be time spent building up relationships with friends and family. On one hand, these what ifs are unreasonable, in that they don't correlate 1:1 with the time spent in FFXI - but on the other hand I do question the amount of devotion and affection that I have for the game, and wonder if it could be better managed, or directed elsewhere.

For the time being, I'm still having a fun time in vanad'iel, so I will continue for now, but I'm glad to see that others are considering / weighing their time spent. I hope this is a consideration that we will all have whether we choose to continue or not.

Edited, Wed Jan 14 16:47:38 2004 by Melancoholic
#5 Jan 14 2004 at 6:20 PM Rating: Decent
IMO:

It's all about balance;

Want to play? then play

Think maybe your neglecting your work/spouse? Then you probably are.

Sometimes i come home from work and would like to level but by the time i get a group and get going it will be time for bed so i fish/craft etc.

If you think that you should quit FFXI or MMORPGS then you probably should. After all this is a game, meant for fun and if it is causing grief/stress/irrational behavior/Anger/etc to you or others then it is no longer a game but an addiction...

BTW im addicted as fuq but i love it, so fuq it. >=)

off work in 11 minutes, be home in 30, online in 31 minutes.
#6 Jan 14 2004 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I too am an addict. First to admit it...fortunatley for me my fiancee plays(hell she is more of an addict then me :)

So i can't really identify with your issues, but i agree a game isn't worth losing the rest of your life over. Remember games come and go, but friends and family are always there.

I get off work in about 25 mins..45 mins to get home..46 mins total and i will be Valinos again.



Valinos
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btw playtime totals over 30 days so far...
#7 Jan 14 2004 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree that the time involved is a massive commitment. I have no delusions about that. I do feel the desire to play every night and rush upstairs to the computer when I get home. But I always eat dinner and talk to the wife about what we can do together that night. Usually we watch a movie, take a walk etc.. and when she goes off to bed I play for a few hours and get my quests done or do some fishing or leveling. I see myself in Vana'Diel for the next 3-4 years so It's not like you have to get everything done in one year as you said. I'm on a 3 year plan to get to lvl 75 with my Red Mage. I'm also interested to see how the world evoloves as the developers add new content over the next 3-4 years.

Edited, Wed Jan 14 21:20:12 2004 by Rhialtho
#8 Jan 14 2004 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
thats cool, I just get bored with this game some times and then blow stuff up in Battlefield 1942 or Medal of Honor, then I go to sleep. dont play for the whole week, then on Friday do all my work, then go out with friends and if I feel like it then go and do some stuff in game. I dont really care about this game, it does get boring quick but I did get it for Christmas, so I play it for the sake on not wasting a gift. On Sunday I dont play games at all either, Saturday and Friday averiging maybe 5 hours of gametime per weekend. Who cares my Black mage is still level 3 at least I still have a life!
#9 Jan 14 2004 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't have a significant other. I do my job and then I play the game. I know that I have to log at midnight otherwise I can't get up at 7 in the morning and get to work.

I guess I am lucky... And yes, I am still playing it now.. Two computers.
#10 Jan 15 2004 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
Well, being only in my early teens, I just have to worry about school and homework.

I don't really see it necessary to QUIT the game, but more of play LESS. I mean, I would rather play a game that would take me 6months-1year till I could be high level/really good, rather than a game I know I could be the highest at, in 3months or less.

I normally just play on my free time. If I can't hang out with friends, or nothings on TV, I turn on FFXI I play for a while.

I don't know about you, but I consider gaming--bare with me--a sport. Or more of an activity.

Don't rock-climers spend hours at end practicing? Don't football players practice day after day after day? Don't artists practice painting after painting?

Same thing goes with gaming, we are doing what we like to do, it's just how MUCH you do of it that effects you. If you play all day, and ignore your girlfriend/wife/job/family/friends, you should stop playing. But if you are just worried about it, stop playing for a week or a month, and then maybe long on for 5-10 hours a week.

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off the topic, a previous poster said they have racked in 200+ hours. But they only have a 26bm/13whm... Uh, I have about 8 hours and I have a 16 Thief, 18 Monk, 22 Warrior, and 25 Redmage... I know that person could have others like me, but still... 200+ hours? Sheesh.
#11 Jan 15 2004 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Uh, I have about 8 hours and I have a 16 Thief, 18 Monk, 22 Warrior, and 25 Redmage


8 hours? That's impossible. Maybe you meant days =)

Anyway, I do agree w/ the previous post 100%. SE should create a time limit or something that the player manually sets up everyday. Like you can set up that you can only play for 2-5 hours a day and when the timer stops, the program simply logs off and will not let you log back until the next day. It's really perfect for people(like me) who are truly addicted to this game.

I've played this game just 3 weeks ago and already, I have 8 days worth of hours invested in this game...I've spent half of my waking hours playing this game...It's sounds so...scary.
#12 Jan 15 2004 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
the one thing you guys dont realize is that it never ends. I was playing eq and just got my war to lvl 45 so im thinkin ok only 5 more lvls, i get my epic wepon then have some fun with him and finish this game. The next week they realeased frontiers so now its all the way to 60 and with the new feature cms that improve your char, getting all the cms will take estimated the same amount of time as getting from 1-60. So you never really get to finish, becuase as soon as all the hardcore players max out there chars, then theyll soon modify it with harder enemys, more lvls and whatnot. Meanwhile casual players just sortof tag along until they get burned out.
#13 Jan 15 2004 at 1:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Yea I have a serious addiction. Its almost to the point where Im doing horrific in school. I went from being an A - B student to now all Cs and Ds. But I hardly care to put any effort forth, and any free time I can manage im squeezing into this game. I know 12 days doesnt seem like a lot. But with my free time its almost everything i can put in.

I keep saying that the next weekend im gonna achieve so and so. And then I even contemplate lieing to my friends so I can play longer. But thankfully im not massively addicted, i still hang out with my friends and such.

I guess I should learn that getting my dragoon and ninja and thief to all 30 isnt a feasible goal by mid february... or is it? >.<

More details to come after my high school finishes exams (yes i know its late, but remember its HS).
#14 Jan 15 2004 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Exactly, Naerwar. There is no end, unless you set one yourself. The best advice would be to just see it as a pastime rather than a job. Make only short term goals. Just enjoy it until you no longer enjoy it. You will be less disappointed at the 'end' and you will be happier until you reach that point.

For many however it IS an addiction unfortunately. These games are designed to take advantage of that human tendency to indulge. At first it is the newness, the exploration, the thrill of accomplishment and acquisition, the achievement of small goals .. and later it is (the actuality or anticipation of) the pain of withdrawal that keeps some playing.

Perhaps though, FFXI will not be as devastating to families as EQ is/was. The reason I say that is because, due to the fact that for some there is little conversation - difficult to enter text using a PS2 controller isn't it? and communicating with the Japanese can be difficult using translations only - so maybe the 'attachments' to newfound friends will not be as strong a pull as it is (for some) in EQ. Linkshells will be smaller here in FFXI (for the most part) than guilds are in EQ, I think. Even, from what I can see, high level encounters (so far) don't take near the numbers of people that they do in EQ. At any rate, I have found FFXI to be very peaceful. People really don't say much - there is very little shouting or even conversations going on between players in the open as far as I can tell. Perhaps in groups there is, but, when grouped, most discussion usually relates to the fight and loot rather than getting into joking around. It is very difficult with this interface to both fight and talk at the same time from what I can see so far.

At any rate, all MMORPGs are time consuming. More power to you if you can pull yourself away, see the light and live a more balanced life. Your friends, family and you yourself will no doubt thank you for your wisdom, will power and insight. Good luck to you. :) Enjoy real life - for it is really much more wonderful than any game.

I truly hope that the EQ Widows board doesn't have to begin accepting 'FFXI Widows' too. There are some really, really painful stories out there .. true ones .. about neglect. SE was very wise indeed to put their little message about paying attention to the other things in life into the login script. I hope those who do tend to have a problem with this type of game heed it .. for your own sakes, and the sakes of those you love/who love you. But, it is possible to play this game and have a life too (I do) if you are disciplined and smart.

#15 Jan 15 2004 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a massive addict! Fortunately my boyfriend and a few of my other RL friends play too so we chat a lot while we're playing. :)

And to TropicSloth-
I know exactly what you mean. I was addicted to DAoC during HS and my grades did a nose dive. =P I would suggest leaving your books/papers next to your computer (as I did) and open to the assignment for the night. Every time you (or the party's WHM) need to regen just do one problem, answer just one question, read a paragraph. Even if you forget to do it sometimes you will be that much closer to getting better grades. :)

Good luck and good hunting!

Edited, Thu Jan 15 04:39:42 2004 by Erynis
#16 Jan 15 2004 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Well here we are

I played EQ, 6mo . . . I played DAoC, 8mo.

I don't think I enjoyed either one of them nearly as much as I do this game. I think I have played around 11 days , and am not that high level.

I usually play in the evenings when my wife, and I sit down for the evening. I play on my laptop, and if you have a S.O. that complains about your habit you might consider getting one. Yes it's expensive, however if you enjoy playing then it might be something to consider.

Durring the week I mainly craft, and fish, and then on the weekends I play early in the mornings for 4-5 hours. Usually enough time to find a decent party, and gain some good XP.

For the big quests I check with my wife, and then arrange the time online on some Friday, or Saturday night, and plan on drinking a lot of coffee. That's how I got my Chocobo license, and my Dragon Slayer *******

My next big thing will be when I hit 30, and get to go after my Advanced Job.

If you're the kind of person with an addictive personality, and have other responsibilities that suffer from the game, you might consider taking a long hard look at your current life, and decide if you're happy with it. Be honest with yourself, and make a change if you need to.

For all those young people out there I hear are letting their grades slip I have one thing to say. Ask yourself if you would be happy being Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons?

Happy reading
#17 Jan 15 2004 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I also set goals, and also set my time aswell. I need to sleep at 12 am at the latest or suffer the consequences the next day at work. I usually have 3 - 4 hours from the time I come back home and the time I go to bed. Usually I play with my friend who is in the same timezone as I am. As an european player, there are not many people to party with neighther japanese nor americans. Which means we usually stick together do something with 2 of us. Mainly doing quests and such. I am single atm (finance problems prohibits relationships heh), and probably will for a while. So I have all the time I want after work till the time I go to bed.

P.S. If FFXI seems bad, well EQ is even worse... I won't go into details but the game have more TIMESINK (I mean HUGE TIMESINK), REQUIREMENT (Guild requirement etc...).

Edited, Thu Jan 15 07:45:47 2004 by Shiia
#18 Jan 15 2004 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default
>Don't rock-climers spend hours at end practicing? Don't football >players practice day after day after day? Don't artists practice >painting after painting?

>Same thing goes with gaming, we are doing what we like to do, >it's just how MUCH you do of it that effects you. If you play >all day, and ignore your girlfriend/wife/job/family/friends, you >should stop playing. But if you are just worried about it, stop >playing for a week or a month, and then maybe long on for 5-10 >hours a week.

how is that helping you? helping yourself? playing those real life sports helps you in your life by getting more exercise(something we all could use), confidence, etc.. Where is this game going to be in 10 years from now? Think about if you put all that energy into something that improves you as a person. not something that makes you sit stagnate in front of a computer screen getting fatter by the second.

#19 Jan 15 2004 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Reality Check!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I'll say :
"Never underestimate the power of Denial".. don't just sit there playing... and IN the back of you Mind knowing that the rest of your life is Stagnating.. and deny it. All aspects of your life can suffer from this ..save for converstions with other g33ks like ourselves...(Hence This Forum <^_~>)

There is alot I want to say about this.... but I've realized reading this thread, that long posts suck. and i'm tired.. and need to go back to sleep... cause I played too much.



Edited, Thu Jan 15 09:01:02 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#20 Jan 15 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
wow, I have to admit that I'm surprised at how many posts are rather sympathetic to my original post... I'm rather relieved that I wasn't flamed and glad to see that so many people actually care about the other aspects of their lives that they limit or cease gameplay... i sincerely wish you the best as I really wish I could have simply limited the amount of time on the game, but for me it was a cold turkey deal... I know limiting myself to one hour a night would eventually stretch to 2... then 3... and soon I'd be back whee I was...

It really is a personal struggle... some people have no problem putting the game up for a week... others need to play it for 15 minutes between when they get up and go to work... and some people don't have to worry about as many relationships, work, or classes as others...

This game was the most enjoyable game I've played... ever... period... square-enix did a great job, but you're right... the adventures will never end... otherwise we'd have empty servers as uber-characters max out each class with the best equipment and max out every skill they have and leave of boredom... caps will always be raised, new features will always be added, all in the name of making it enjoyable for new players... so I agree... set limits and try to take occasional breaks in playing... that little message about friends, family, work, and school that square put at the beginning of the game is nice, but it's up to us to maintain healthy work and relationships...

You guys are awesome... 'll miss a lot of you on the Unicorn server...
#21 Jan 15 2004 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
ooo ****, you guys all made me feel like i REALLY over do playing games ;) in ffxi, i only have like 10 days of play time, but...................i've been mudding for *cough* 7 yrs *cough* and i still do once a while =) so you guys saying that you have like 30days of playtime is nothing compare to my chars in the mud :P one of my main char has like over 4 months worth of playtime..yeah..that's 120days :) and that's only one char...i have like *cough* 12 *cough* maxed out chars...each of them has any where from 20 days to 100 days of playtime on it :P only until recently, i havn't play much because of ffxi =) and get this..i have a happy engaged gf, i managed 3.5 gpa during my college, and i do my job just fine :) are those time wasted? well, let's put it the other way, if i wasn't mudding...i woulda play my ps2 instead or simply just sit there and watch tv or sleep =) i did exactly that while waiting for my cable to be install :P *btw..tv with antenna sucks :P* so i wounda wasted my time anyway :P so might as well do something that actually involve thinking :) yes, the game will use up a lot of time, but if you managed it well, you can enjoy it..put in a lot of game time...and NOT mess you up with your regular life =)
#22 Jan 15 2004 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
your probably one of the rare people who can honestly say they managed their life while playing games for the larger chunk of your life. unfortunely not all of us are like you.... we don't have gfs who are as understanding... we don't have lives that are as forgiving. i love the game... i just wish i could stop time to play it. can any of us honestly say that there is nothing better we could be doing than playing this game?
#23 Jan 15 2004 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I wish I had the self discipline to limit my playing, but frankly when there are no other options to get away from in your life, then FFXI takes front seat. I failed my first semester college because the game came out at the end of October (damn you square, couldn't you wait till christmas!) but oh well, the school was worthless anyway. If my friends are around, which hardly ever are, then I'll spend time with them, but if I wasn't playing ffxi then I'd probably be doing something gay like reading (kidding, haha), or playing some other game. By working fulltime it's like a huge rewarding treat to end your day.


Hail ffxi!
and Goddamn you ffxi.
#24 Jan 15 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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lostpinoy that's right, if there was I don't think any of us would be playing :)
#25 Jan 15 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
hehe...am i that lucky? :) i don't drink because i'm a little allergic to it =) i don't go out very often other then with my gf, because we don't have many friends yet. she goes to work on saturaday..and i don't..muahhahahahahahaha =) and of coz, i don't just play game at home. i do watch tv =) like discoray, TLC, history, news, and the most important one....SPEED! bore my gf out of her mind..she will rather let me play games so she can watch her channels :P and she sits on me while i'm playing game and she is watching tv x-)..i guess that also consisder time spend together? and when she says i need to stop...i'll stop =) unless i'm walking in the middle of aggro zone or battle of coz =) we had a talk before and she asked me why i play games so much... i simply answer her, what else there is to do? would you rather have me be a couch potato watch tv all day? or would you rather have me go to the bar every night and blow like $50 a night? or would you rather have me blow thoudsands of dollars on my car? she couldn't answer me =) and i also told her that i like to keep my mind busy, so out of all those unproductive way of spending free time, playing games keep my mind working pretty well =) shurg...that's how i look at things, you don't have to agree =) but it works for me ;)
#26 Jan 15 2004 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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food for thought

Yesterday..
My G/f had to work from 5 to 9... she was supposed to go out with a friend after work who were going to pick her up.... I was like sw33t! I'll play all night....

Now, I Love y G/f very much.. and miss her when she's not around...

So she calls at 9 and is like "Do you miss me? how bad do you want to see me?" so I'm like Yeah .. I mis you bunches and bunches.... so she says she broke plans with her friend cause they sounded tired or something.. and she missed me and wanted to see me.... So she needed me to pick her up... and then of course go to her house......

This Game has Torn me.... Part of me was like Cool..she loves me and now we can be together.....

BUT another part of me was annoyed at being disturbed.. and missing out on precious playing time..having to spit from my group....ect..ect..

THIS SCARES THE **** OUT OF ME
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