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#1 Jan 13 2004 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is more of a rant...

Why must such a stupid word exist. Noob...where the hell did this word come from..it is such a derogatory term. People go around the game and forums...I hate NOOBS, noobs got me killed last night. Why? Why must a new player be referred to as a noob? Does it make those of you who aren't new at a game feel bigger or better to put down new players....This game requires alot of teamwork and that guy you are calling a noob today, may end up being a stalwart ally in battle someday...people shouldn't burn to many bridges, lest you find yourself without a route left to take...

All it takes is a little time and effort and that new player will come around..Think back to you starting days..when you first started, did you have any clue what you were doing...did you know what it meant to "check" a mob...now to some of you, like me who have played MMORPG's it's fine...we picked it up quickly, but think back to the first one you played. What most people don't see is that most of these new players have not played an MMORPG, they just followed the Final Fantasy series to the MMORPG that is FF11.

If you get in a group with new peeps, try to educate them to the game..if they don't listen, well then pick up you char and find a group who knows what there doing. I've been in plenty of groups with new players and after a few mins of teaching them...I turned what most would label as waste of time group into a very productive group that got good exp, and those players that listen will then teach there friends and so on the chain goes on...sure some people wont't listen and you know what eventually they wil learn the hard way or they wont be able to progess much in this game. Remember it is a game and we are meant to have fun playing it..if these players who are new are having fun, then more power to them. I hope the keep having fun as that's what it's all about.

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P.S. i am not new in this game, but compared the the JP players we are all new players. ^.^
#2 Jan 13 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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it's the new players that insist that they know what they are doing that are truely dangerous. I just abandon them unless they listen to my advice.

Yes, there are 'noobs' well into their 30's as well
#3 Jan 13 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
I don't use the term myself, but players use this to abbreviate the terminology so they don't have to type the whole word. I think the players who use the term too much ***** too much, so that is why I don't like it.
#4 Jan 13 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Default
That's the closed minded attitude that ruins the game for me. Just because it's the way you do it doesn't mean it's the only way. I run into more and more of these "my way or the highway" punks in this game and it's crap. How do you know that lvl 15 guy isn't a lvl 60 guy starting a new job? I don't care who you are or what level you are, you don't know everything and you can listen to what someone else has to say.
#5 Jan 13 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Default
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We are all noobs. Does that make you feel better? :P
#6 Jan 13 2004 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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We are noobs to start.

I dont mind if a lvl person is new to game and has questions or doesnt know things, we all have to learn sometime. I would never be like "OMG your a NOOB". Its not polite, i try to give advice and encourage them to ask questionss


The people that truly deserve to be made fun of, heckled, belittled and ostracized are the people that are like lvl 20 and still dont know what they are doing, the people that wont listen to advice. If your lvl 1 and you dont understand thats fine if your 20 thats pathetic.

Ill give post to glaring example of a TRUE NOOB.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=107399181763197743&num=5[/link]

If your that person your a NOOB in every sense of the word, if people give advice when your doing poorly and you out right dismiss it and keep making same mistake then your a NOOB.

Also the Term Noob is a derivation of Newbie, which is an even older term of derision used for people new to game that have no clue what they are doing.
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#7 Jan 13 2004 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
I call people newbs all the time heh, even while I'm teachin em. Lol, but I make sure they can tell its not in a bad way.. Heh, lol, :)... somethin of the sort. You can definately tell when its the bad term... you F'in newbs, im surrounded by damn newbs... and so forth but yeah. I dont take an automatic hatred towards em. I'll take time to teach, help, anything else as long as im not busy with somethin else. Even the most ditzy of them I'll teach as long as I can tell they are making an attempt. It's pretty easy to teach when you shadow them with a white mage. /grin That way if they ***** up I can save em and tell em what they did wrong and can go do it again, and again till they dont do it again. All the while raising my skills lol.

Theres a plus side to being a teacher as a white mage, muahahah! :)
#8 Jan 13 2004 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
There's a big difference between a "newb" and a "n00b". Everyone's new when they start. But most people try to learn and listen to advice on things such as making macro's and how to use renkei's. It's the new players who refuse to listen or learn, who think that since they've been uber l337 players in FF7-10 and could single handedly kill everything that moved that it would work the same way here. I honestly don't call anyone a n00b unless they just completely refuse to listen, that is the biggest defining characteristic of being a n00b.
#9 Jan 13 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Default
whoever started this thread....i want you to think of when you first bought this game...you might have..no no no you DID ***** up a couple of times when you first started.

We were all noobs at one time ok i want everyone who hates noobs with a passion to realize that..

Don't go around picking on noobs ok they're just getting use to the game.

If they cost you a death...big deal! its just a game!
#10 Jan 13 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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Onimenokyo, I might be a total "noob" in my thinking; but I'm pretty sure it's a good Idea to actually read the thread before you respond to it. No bid deal or anything, just something you might try when you get a chance.
#11 Jan 13 2004 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Word, Averoth nailed it on the head there.

read the the original thread hes bashing people that bash noobs.

Thats a good thing.


Next time read b4 reply.


Edited, Tue Jan 13 16:28:14 2004 by bhodisattva
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#12 Jan 13 2004 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I think were getting our Internet termonology mixed up (not claiming that I know everything there is to know about fourm phrases and such; here's the way I see it)..

Newb (Newbie): Someone new to a game.

N00b: Clueless. Someone beyond basic help.
#13 Jan 13 2004 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
As someone who has obtained a few levels in this game, I too get frustrated when someone doesn't agree with my playing style. I won't even start with who's right and who's wrong. I have been helped by some players with higher levels and I've gotten useless advice the like.

Perhaps though, we have sometimes been guilty of being to harsh in our approach to these people. I know I have when trying to get someone to see my side of things. As a result, I now try to open such a dialog by ASKING why they do something a particular way. I think the saying is, you catch more flies with honey, yadda yadda yadda. Anyway, I realize this is not always the case and there are hard heads out there. But I believe change starts with self.

/sarcasm
Hey, maybe I'll start a noob camp. Somewhere where we can all hold hands and sing camp songs like Foe Requiem. We'll take the recently defeated Twinkling Treants for firewood. We could petition the programmers to give us Camp N00B t-shirts. :)
/sarcasm
#14 Jan 13 2004 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
/sigh

Anyone else sick of all the "rants" on this board lately? There used to be a much higher ratio of useful information to fluff. I guess on the positive side, there are fewer post about "what race should I play?" and "what's a subjob?". Still makes me wonder if there isn't a better board out there. Or maybe this board just needs a separate section for rants.
#15 Jan 13 2004 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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Hear hear! The signal-to-noise ratio is getting a tad out of hand here. Now we have touchy feelies whining about being called a noob? Please! Being a noob is like being a freshman--we all have to do it and we all have to put up with the crap to earn the right to start slinging it ourselves.

There's a certain level of politeness that everyone needs to maintain, but constantly worrying that you're stepping on somebody's toes really takes away from the whole gaming experience. Common sense and the Golden Rule should be enough. Quit sweating the small stuff and just play the game!
#16 Jan 13 2004 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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To me a newb is just a new player, and a n00b is the kind of person that after 30 levels still thinks 200xp a kill with 3 min downtime is the best. And hasn't learned to look at the healers mp before pulling. I can't stand it when im in Kazham killing onion heads and some one always has to say, "Lets kill some goblins they give more xp." N00b is some one who just doesn't like getting tips from other players and refuses to listen. Sadly enough, theres plenty of lv30+ n00bs out there.
#17 Jan 13 2004 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I have nothing wrong with new players. If anything I've seen a lot of unity throughout FFXI with people helping one another understand the game. I remember when I first started out, people warning me to stay out of areas which were a little too tough, and basically guarding me.
I try to do the same for other players. I remember a time when I saw a Newbie selling cornettes for 100 gil in his bazarre, and he said he had about 14 of them which he'd found. I informed him of the Mandragora Madness quest and he was thrilled. Had he chosen to not take my advice, well, that's his decision. He has to play the game himself.

Now, noobs are the people who refuse to take advice. Like the ones who say "hey! lets kill maze makers! we have 3 tanks in the group, so we don't need a healer!" When you politely ask them to wait until you can find a white mage, they go attack the maker anyways. Then as you look at their corpse on the ground because they didn't realize you NEED healers at lvl 15, you don't know what to say besides "OMG, you stupid noob!"
#18 Jan 13 2004 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I remember how big of a noob i was when i first started. This was my first MMORPG so i still had a LOT to learn. But a couple japanese players with high level characters had a linkshell to help newbies out. His name was Lunatix and my old LS was called starplatinum. He and a few others taught me a lot about this game.

Now whenever I see someone struggling or confused I try to help them in any way i can. Even though im trying to level a ninja and Im not the greatest farmer I still give free handouts to people who dont quite understand earning money that much. Im strapped for cash and I still hand out people who are new like 2-3k to start them out with some low armor and weapons.

I remember when i first started playing, i used hundred fists in town unsure of what it did. I also remember losing to a forest hare because i thought it would be as easy as the wild rabbits i had fought minutes before. Ahh learning first hand was fun and essential though most are too busy trying to get level 75 to realize all the fun aspects outside of leveling like crazy.
#19 Jan 13 2004 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
Okay okay! So I used NEWB instead of N00B, sounds the same and used for 'new' players. I like the way NEWB looks. Same thing if someone called you a Freak, or a freek... blah blah blah so sue me! :)

Fine just call me a NEWB on the terminology of NEWB and N00B. :)
#20 Jan 14 2004 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Here's a good situation of a noob. About a week and a half ago, one of my LS friends told the LS to /search all one player's name. It came up as a 49 Monk without a subjob. How the hell does someone get to level 49 and not even bother to get a subjob? Also at the same time I was in Valkurm ******** around as Thief, and when the group was looking for more players, they saw a 16 Bard available... also without a subjob.

I guess to each their own, but if someone's not even going to bother with doing important quests like that one, I'm not going to bother grouping with them. I can somewhat understand up to about 22 without a subjob, but 30+? No, that's just stupidity.
#21 Jan 14 2004 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe not everybody bothers to equip a subjob all of the time?
#22 Jan 14 2004 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
Maybe not everybody bothers to equip a subjob all of the time?


is it possible to unequip a subjob?
#23 Jan 14 2004 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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It is not about if someone is not familiar with certain functions in the game (does not make the best macros, etc), it is about someone when you suggest something to them (make said macro) and they rudely tell you off, that is a person I would consider a "n00b". I rarely find them actually, but when you do it sticks out in your mind, especially when they are responsible for getting you and your party killed.....:|
#24 Jan 14 2004 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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You know what I think is funny? The definition I gave to NooB was any immature little player who only likes to power play, thinking they know everything because they can be the first player on their block to get to level 30, and who are wholely and entirely selfish and inconsiderate players. They never seem to realize that HUNDREDS of thousands of players beat them to that level, have already done everything they've already done, know how to play both solo and in a group tens times better than them, AND wind up still being helpful and considerate to other players.

But the best part of all, its the NooBs that are always going around calling everyone else NooBs. IMHO, it seems 733T-speak (as their degenerate language is often called) seems to belong almost solely to NooBs, who seem to have come to the belief that learning how to misspell is somehow cool.

The one thing I take solice in is that this is a game built on teamwork, and on grouping. It's a miracle that many of the "NooBs" even make it to 30, but I can guarantee most will never make it past that. Past that point, everyone knows them by name and wouldn't touch a group their in with a ten foot pole, except maybe to laugh inside party or LS chat when they get owned.

Now, as far as "green" players go, that an entirely different story. I think green is a little better of a term for new players, and definitely seems a lot less offensive. But these are people we take under our wing. We teach them tricks of the trade, ettiquette, skills, and sometimes give them a little starting charity. But we don't call them NooBs unless they try to take advantage of generousity and don't listen to advice. Then again, we're pretty good judges of character, I think, so we don't even give them the time of day if we have reason to doubt their character. We do this because I think we should know who will someday be standing beside us in battle, and we'd like to be able to rely on them. New players have as much potential to be that as your ultralevel japanese friend you have now, or the LS mate that started at the same time as you.
#25 Jan 14 2004 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
we all know what noob is...but where is this term comes from?
#26 Jan 14 2004 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Here is my $.02

noob, newb, n00b whatever you want to refer to it is. Who cares its just a term used in the game. Its not the word that is bad, but more how you use it. I do on occasion use it, but never in a bad way. i.e. below

/l Nothing much going on just helping a noob group get their skulls in gusgen (translation as follows) Not doing much so helping a group of new people get their skulls for sub job quest

/l Just lvling up adv job some to make gil. Got a noob group, but things are going pretty well. (translation as follows) Grouping with some low lvls i.e. no sub job yet, inexperienced , and/or not in advanced jobs yet to make some gil.

So anyways noob=new person, and yes we all have been one. Everyone makes mistakes also not just new people. I have been in a group where the puller which was a thief disengaged our VT mob half way through fight and engaged another VT mob because he figured we could handle it. So I told him to please not do that again. 20 min later VT Clipper half way down, and bam disengages and pulls a second VT clipper meanwhile ours cast metallic body and was still at 1/2 health. so finally kill first clipper, and whm is about out of mp so as paladin and tank I had to heal myself since I was down in the red..Guess what...an elemental standing right behind me. That is not a noob..that is an idiot. So anyways thats my rant. Please be good to the noobs. Remember how exciting it was to have a high lvl run past you and shoot you a /smile or /cheer after a fight or give you a buff or two. Remember the golden rule guys. 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Happy Hunting!

One last thing about the helping each other out. Do not forget that High lvls helping new people is not the only way it can go. If you are a whm, and see a higher lvl monk run past with 75% of hp I am sure he will not be upset if you shoot him a cure II or protect. When it all boils down to it we are all team.


Edited, Wed Jan 14 12:24:35 2004 by JaxonPally
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