Yeah, I am planning on being a Ninja in a few levels. I have heard from everyone and their mother that Ninjas are expensive. How so? All you have to do is buy the scroll, (or do the quest for it and save some money), and then buy powders. Am I missing anything? How expensive are the powders? how about the scrolls? And about how many do you get?
Another thing about Ninjas, I am using Throwing skill right now with my thief (Boomerang +1). Are Ninjas good with throwing, or with Archery? I forgot... ;P
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Yeah, I am planning on being a Ninja in a few levels. I have heard from everyone and their mother that Ninjas are expensive. How so? All you have to do is buy the scroll, (or do the quest for it and save some money), and then buy powders. Am I missing anything? How expensive are the powders? how about the scrolls? And about how many do you get?
Another thing about Ninjas, I am using Throwing skill right now with my thief (Boomerang +1). Are Ninjas good with throwing, or with Archery? I forgot... ;P
Thankies
The Brave Nandor
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15 Thief/7 Monk
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Another thing about Ninjas, I am using Throwing skill right now with my thief (Boomerang +1). Are Ninjas good with throwing, or with Archery? I forgot... ;P
Thankies
The Brave Nandor
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~REAL ULTIMATE POWER!~
You have to use a powder every time you cast a ninjitsu spell. And they dont last forever. Play for a couple of hours in a party and youll see why its exspensive.
And they are good with throwing. Best in the game. Another consumable unless you use a boomarang.
Edited, Mon Jan 12 01:15:57 2004 by NotCoach
Oh alright cool. Boomerangs rock, so I will probably keep using those. How long exactly does each powder last? I heard there was one powder that made three images of yourself, and each image took 1/3 the damage(?). And it cost somewhere around 20k(?). Can anyone back this up? What's the best Ninjitsu Powder?
And, is the Ninja quest easier or harder compared to the others? Does it take much time? Thankies,
The Brave Nandor
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And, is the Ninja quest easier or harder compared to the others? Does it take much time? Thankies,
The Brave Nandor
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The ninja can be expensive if you plan on buying all your spells. The cost for Utsusemi: ichi, which is creates a shadow image of yourself (much like blink) can cost up to 100k. Unless you do a lot of tenshodo quests to raise your fame such as collecting mass amounts of zine ores, yagudo beads, or others. THen you can get a quest for the scroll. Also a group of 99 ponko skill powders (which isnt the most expensive) can cost up to 8k. Thats not going to last forever and will require replenishment.
Also regarding the quest, its easy at first cuz its all in the same area, but korolloka tunnel is hard and cannot be solod anywhere. You must be 40's or so in full pt i believe, or just get a high level player to help you. The boss is 4 korolloka leeches that will most likely kill you before your high level can pull em all off. Then you have to go to norg which can be difficult running through sea serpent grotto. Then one last trip to bastok gives you the ability to be a ninja.
Also regarding the quest, its easy at first cuz its all in the same area, but korolloka tunnel is hard and cannot be solod anywhere. You must be 40's or so in full pt i believe, or just get a high level player to help you. The boss is 4 korolloka leeches that will most likely kill you before your high level can pull em all off. Then you have to go to norg which can be difficult running through sea serpent grotto. Then one last trip to bastok gives you the ability to be a ninja.
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Also regarding the quest, its easy at first cuz its all in the same area, but korolloka tunnel is hard and cannot be solod anywhere. You must be 40's or so in full pt i believe, or just get a high level player to help you. The boss is 4 korolloka leeches that will most likely kill you before your high level can pull em all off. Then you have to go to norg which can be difficult running through sea serpent grotto. Then one last trip to bastok gives you the ability to be a ninja.
While I do believe that Ninja is one of the hardest Flag quests, that's a little exaggerated. I've seen the leeches (there's only three of them, by the way) beaten by a full group of 30-32s. Granted, they were all good players, in a balanced group, but still. And if you can't get a group together, finding a Japanese player to help you out isn't too hard, if you teach yourself just a few Japanese phrases. The first one I asked helped me out.
Running to Norg is easy once you understand the dangers. I died the first time because I came unprepared - I was kicking myself for hours when I realised how easy it really was: Buy a couple of Sneak Oils. You can make it with two (maybe even one, if you're really fast), but having a few extras never hurt. Run through, and always turn right, whenever you get the choice. Nothing will aggro.
Shihei is used for Utsusemi (Ninja blink), and on my server they are 4000 if you're lucky, but commonly go for 5000 (per stack of 99) To give you an idea of how fast I burn through these, if I'm the main tank in a group I will use probably 3 powders per fight.
A stack of Shinobi-Tabi (Used for ninja invisibility) are 6,000 for 99, and although I've had these for a while, I have had yet to warrant using them... So these will probably last you a LONG time, unless you don't know how to dodge aggro.
As for elemental spells, I reccomend buying Tsurara and using Hyoton: Ichi every chance you get to work up Ninjutsu skill. A stack of Tsurara is the cheapest powder and its 1500 for 99. The other elemental spell components tend to go for 3000-12,000 for 99, depending on which type you buy.
The Ninja Flag quest is definately one of the hardest and most time consuming, it took me a couple of days to do. I started with 40,000 gil for zinc ores and raising faction... I ended by owing someone 8,900 gil and someone else 2000 gil, and having probably 200 gil on me.... With all 4 of the quest scrolls and 4 of the elemental ones purchased, and the ninja flag.
The leeches are hard. One thing in this game, is a group of people are so many more times stronger than a solo one of a much higher level.
For example, a group of level 30-35s could take out the 3 leeches, but when I got a level 66 PAL/33 WAR, and 56 WAR/28 THF to help, the 3 leeches took them both down to about half life. And finding your way to Norg is easy, by chocobo and then by sneak oils.
A stack of Shinobi-Tabi (Used for ninja invisibility) are 6,000 for 99, and although I've had these for a while, I have had yet to warrant using them... So these will probably last you a LONG time, unless you don't know how to dodge aggro.
As for elemental spells, I reccomend buying Tsurara and using Hyoton: Ichi every chance you get to work up Ninjutsu skill. A stack of Tsurara is the cheapest powder and its 1500 for 99. The other elemental spell components tend to go for 3000-12,000 for 99, depending on which type you buy.
The Ninja Flag quest is definately one of the hardest and most time consuming, it took me a couple of days to do. I started with 40,000 gil for zinc ores and raising faction... I ended by owing someone 8,900 gil and someone else 2000 gil, and having probably 200 gil on me.... With all 4 of the quest scrolls and 4 of the elemental ones purchased, and the ninja flag.
The leeches are hard. One thing in this game, is a group of people are so many more times stronger than a solo one of a much higher level.
For example, a group of level 30-35s could take out the 3 leeches, but when I got a level 66 PAL/33 WAR, and 56 WAR/28 THF to help, the 3 leeches took them both down to about half life. And finding your way to Norg is easy, by chocobo and then by sneak oils.
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Shihei is used for Utsusemi (Ninja blink), and on my server they are 4000 if you're lucky, but commonly go for 5000 (per stack of 99) To give you an idea of how fast I burn through these, if I'm the main tank in a group I will use probably 3 powders per fight.
For those of you too lazy to do the math, that's about 151 gil per fight... Pretty damn expensive.
In a decent group, that's only 1 gil per exp point. At higher levels, you're going to be hurting unless you have a way to make good money in your downtime.
Edited, Mon Jan 12 15:58:54 2004 by subvert
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A stack of Tsurara is the cheapest powder and its 1500 for 99.
I can make a stack of 99 from an ice crystal, rock salt, and two distilled waters, as well as most of the other less expensive ninja stuff. After my next powercrafting session (which no longer hurts so much because I'm actually making a bit of profit now) I'll be able to make even more of it from cheap junk. ^_^ Glad I took up alchemy instead of somthing else because I plan to go NIN/THF eventually.
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http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
Yes, Ninjas are expensive in many ways.
To become a Ninja, it takes: 2 chocobos (82 ea.), 1 silent oil (800 gil), a kazham airpass, 1 airship ride (200), and a high-level friend or full group of 30+ willing to die.
The scroll quests require: 200 yagudo necklaces MIN-I-MUM (30,000 gil after turn-ins), about 9 silent oils (800 ea.), 10 rusty subligars (900 ea.), 10 rusty leggings (200 ea.), a kazham airpass, 2 airship rides (200 ea.), 4 chocobos (82 ea.), 1 exp death (unless you level to 15 before attempting your scrolls). (Plus whatever it takes to get Jubaku: Ichi, I haven't found a walkthrough myself. But that's level 30, so I can worry later. ^^) Traveling expenses from Bastok to Norg are about 1164 gil, so be careful about not finishing all of your business in Norg in one trip. If spending 50,092 gil to start a job sounds expensive, this class isn't for you. ^^ By level 9, a Ninja will cost about 3840 gil in equipment!
Ninjas aren't all-powerful god characters if you scrape hard enough for the gil to support them; they're a class designed toward people with the money to sink who might like something that feels different. If you want a god character, become a Paladin. ^^ Who doesn't love a Paladin? Need more Paladins!
To become a Ninja, it takes: 2 chocobos (82 ea.), 1 silent oil (800 gil), a kazham airpass, 1 airship ride (200), and a high-level friend or full group of 30+ willing to die.
The scroll quests require: 200 yagudo necklaces MIN-I-MUM (30,000 gil after turn-ins), about 9 silent oils (800 ea.), 10 rusty subligars (900 ea.), 10 rusty leggings (200 ea.), a kazham airpass, 2 airship rides (200 ea.), 4 chocobos (82 ea.), 1 exp death (unless you level to 15 before attempting your scrolls). (Plus whatever it takes to get Jubaku: Ichi, I haven't found a walkthrough myself. But that's level 30, so I can worry later. ^^) Traveling expenses from Bastok to Norg are about 1164 gil, so be careful about not finishing all of your business in Norg in one trip. If spending 50,092 gil to start a job sounds expensive, this class isn't for you. ^^ By level 9, a Ninja will cost about 3840 gil in equipment!
Ninjas aren't all-powerful god characters if you scrape hard enough for the gil to support them; they're a class designed toward people with the money to sink who might like something that feels different. If you want a god character, become a Paladin. ^^ Who doesn't love a Paladin? Need more Paladins!
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Ninjas aren't all-powerful god characters if you scrape hard enough for the gil to support them; they're a class designed toward people with the money to sink who might like something that feels different.
That's how I feel about them and 2 other jobs. Ninja, Ranger, and Summoner do not appear to be "starter" advanced jobs. If you want to play a NIN or RNG, you should already be pretty damn wealthy and willing to spend. If you want to start a SMN, you should probably collect a few of the summons before starting out with ol' Carbuncle for the next 60+ levels (you can be a high level mage w/ SMN as your sub and still get the avatar so you aren't stuck with carbuncle at lvl 1).
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Also, Ninjas cannot use boomerangs. The lowest non-consumable throwing weapon is Wingedge, I think.
By the way, anyone know a merchant that'll sell Darts for under 10 gil? Does Quesse?
By the way, anyone know a merchant that'll sell Darts for under 10 gil? Does Quesse?
While they can't use boomerangs.. they can use Chakras, and theres a good few of them, though they are higher level.
And for darts, this may not be an answer to your question but in Port Jueno theres a female Elvaan outside the chocobo stable that sells darts for right at 10 gil per. Probably not what you meant though.
Here is a decent breakdown of the actual 'costs' it is to be a Ninja...
90-100k : One time purchase of Utsusemi: Ichi. You WILL need/want this spell, and you will find having it makes you, and your group, 10x better.
4-5k : This is per stack (99) shihei, which is the component used (1 shihei per use) in Utsusemi. Each stack can last you the duration of a decent group...but how often you use it is at your discretion.
Basically, you will use approximately anywhere from 2-8k PER DAY of grouping, solely from use of Utsusemi (This is the main spell used by Ninjas, others are used MUCH less frequently).
I found it possible to fund it with farming/mining from a 51 black mage...It definitely is a FUN class to play (how cool is a tarutaru ninja choppin crap up?!).
And one last note, you should go with a warrior sub for use of provoke. Contrary to some beliefs, Nin/thf is not a great combo, thf/nin is much more feasible. Nin/war is probably the best Ninja main class combo you can find.
90-100k : One time purchase of Utsusemi: Ichi. You WILL need/want this spell, and you will find having it makes you, and your group, 10x better.
4-5k : This is per stack (99) shihei, which is the component used (1 shihei per use) in Utsusemi. Each stack can last you the duration of a decent group...but how often you use it is at your discretion.
Basically, you will use approximately anywhere from 2-8k PER DAY of grouping, solely from use of Utsusemi (This is the main spell used by Ninjas, others are used MUCH less frequently).
I found it possible to fund it with farming/mining from a 51 black mage...It definitely is a FUN class to play (how cool is a tarutaru ninja choppin crap up?!).
And one last note, you should go with a warrior sub for use of provoke. Contrary to some beliefs, Nin/thf is not a great combo, thf/nin is much more feasible. Nin/war is probably the best Ninja main class combo you can find.
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90-100k : One time purchase of Utsusemi: Ichi. You WILL need/want this spell, and you will find having it makes you, and your group, 10x better.
If you do the quest, you only need to spend 40k for this. And you will end up with 4 total scrolls, not just Utsusemi.
Basically what everyone is aggreeting to is, Yes the ninja can be quite expensive for the ones who want to actually use their skills.
Also just get a good farming technique that not a lot of people crowd you in, so you can have a set method you can always fall back on if you find yourself short of cash. Develop your own farming techniques, fishing, crafting, killing with thf for gilfinder and treasure hunter, herding or w.e. Just make sure you have money to buy a lot of stuff.
Also a quick question on the ninja, Are balance rings necessary? I was fighting in la thiene (only level 10) and i noticed my accuracy leaves something to be desired. Is it wise to invest in Dex rings even with Nin/Thf combo? Or should i just wait it out and hope my natural dex will suffice.
Also just get a good farming technique that not a lot of people crowd you in, so you can have a set method you can always fall back on if you find yourself short of cash. Develop your own farming techniques, fishing, crafting, killing with thf for gilfinder and treasure hunter, herding or w.e. Just make sure you have money to buy a lot of stuff.
Also a quick question on the ninja, Are balance rings necessary? I was fighting in la thiene (only level 10) and i noticed my accuracy leaves something to be desired. Is it wise to invest in Dex rings even with Nin/Thf combo? Or should i just wait it out and hope my natural dex will suffice.
2 balance rings would only be +2 accuracy total. That's not alot.
Currently I am 26 and I use +1 katanas, two +1 beetle Earrings(+6 attack)\, a +1 beetle helm, some gloves that add +3 attack, and tiger stole which is +5 attack. Total of +14 attack skill. And then the Balance rings, which are +2 accuracy total. I do a pretty decent amount of damage, don't really miss a whole lot. Sub is warrior.
Currently I am 26 and I use +1 katanas, two +1 beetle Earrings(+6 attack)\, a +1 beetle helm, some gloves that add +3 attack, and tiger stole which is +5 attack. Total of +14 attack skill. And then the Balance rings, which are +2 accuracy total. I do a pretty decent amount of damage, don't really miss a whole lot. Sub is warrior.
"If you do the quest, you only need to spend 40k for this. And you will end up with 4 total scrolls, not just Utsusemi."
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Yes, this is true. But from what I -hear- ... ie: I'm not 100% certain... is that Norg fame lowers fame in other nations, or your overall fame in general. Made sense to me at the time, since Norg = pirates, and pirates generally = bad.
If this is true, you would save 40-50k on Utsusemi, but you would in turn waste hours and hours of quest time. If its NOT true, you could just do the quest at your own leisure and earn the money back.
Pick your poison, I suppose.
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Yes, this is true. But from what I -hear- ... ie: I'm not 100% certain... is that Norg fame lowers fame in other nations, or your overall fame in general. Made sense to me at the time, since Norg = pirates, and pirates generally = bad.
If this is true, you would save 40-50k on Utsusemi, but you would in turn waste hours and hours of quest time. If its NOT true, you could just do the quest at your own leisure and earn the money back.
Pick your poison, I suppose.
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Ninjas: assassins of the highest order who practiced what is widely known as "The Forbidden Art". I don't understand why they would have bad faction. =/
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Edited, Thu Jan 15 17:28:33 2004 by Neilette
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