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#1 Jul 10 2012 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm making a new toon and wanted your opinion on the most fun class in the game.

Thanks in advance Smiley: smile
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#2 Jul 10 2012 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Please post why as well Smiley: smile
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Most definately a rogue;) Lots of DPS, best invis in the game which means you can go just about everywhere without being seen. They are also the only ones that can make poison (unless soe has changed that). But there are 2 poisons that can be used by everyone, so it's a good plat maker.

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thanks
anyone else?
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#5 Jul 10 2012 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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looking for lots of replies then make most quoted class
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#6 Jul 10 2012 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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oh yeah, rogues still only class that can make poisons :)
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What's fun is different for everyone. What do you like to do (swing swords, cast heals, stand back and nuke?) Do you prefer to play alone or try to get a group? Do you intend to raid (raid casually, or high end?)
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I prefer to try and find a group but I hardly ever get one. I intend to raid as a higher level, and I like to swing some swords about and have fun. Smiley: smile
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Bards are a fun class to play. Pretty much a jack of all trades.
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So you enjoy DPS and melee.

Ranger -- Quite good DPS from these. They have quite a bit of utility. Can range fight with arrows or get up in the mobs face with weapons. The only down side, if you want to raid, is there are a TON of them. So depending on your servers raid scene, you may find a hard time getting a slot.

Rogue -- Extremely good DPS. Can go just about anywhere and they do have some utility for pulling with traps. Poison making is pretty nice as well. Beyond stabbing these and the occasional pulling there isn't much more they can do though. Raid guilds will probably love to have you.

Berserker -- Not many play zerkers from what I have seen, but they are one of the top melee DPS classes and raid guilds love them. Not much utility, but if you enjoy the big DPS #'s then you should enjoy this class.

Monk -- One of the best pulling classes in game and FD lets them go just about anywhere. The DPS is defintely not the top end, but they do respectable. While no swords, they h2h is basically the same thing.

Beastlord -- Takes a while to get into the Beastlord, but they do nice DPS eventually and have quite a bit of utility between the buffs and pets. Some of their newer buffs are highly sought after so Raid guilds will probably let you in easier.


You should enjoy any of those, pick one and try it out.
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Thanks.
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Gee, if your priority is "swinging a sword" you need to be looking at warrior, shadowknight or paladin. You really should try better to describe what your interests are in terms of playing a character in this genre. Honestly it's hard to advise intelligently with this little to go on.

My standard advice in this situation is to roll and play various classes for a bit to get a "feel" for each class. Considering the amount of time you need to commit to REALLY level up and deck out a superior toon, it's well worth investing a few hours in several different classes to experience each for yourself since personal experience always trumps any amount of advice, however well-meant and sincere.
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Gnome warrior.

Roleplay as evil (i.e., kill good city npcs).

This is the definition of fun.
#14 Jul 15 2012 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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snailish wrote:
Gnome warrior.

Roleplay as evil (i.e., kill good city npcs).

This is the definition of fun.


Aren't all gnomes by definition evil?
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#15 Jul 16 2012 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks all
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heavydrop wrote:
snailish wrote:
Gnome warrior.

Roleplay as evil (i.e., kill good city npcs).

This is the definition of fun.


Aren't all gnomes by definition evil?
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lol thats true
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heavydrop wrote:
snailish wrote:
Gnome warrior.

Roleplay as evil (i.e., kill good city npcs).

This is the definition of fun.


Aren't all gnomes by definition evil?
;)


You would be evil too if you had to fear every boot of Norrath for the sheer fact that you may punted.
#18 Jul 17 2012 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
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lol
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#19 Jul 18 2012 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
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i play shaman since 1999 and can't play another toon as ""main""...................
they heal great (specially at high level ) , got good dot's , MANA not an issue, can chain cast np ,
good buffs , unity line, growth (add more hp than cleric + druid one combined , and stack (5min + duration tho ), regen,lion proc (1200+ proc and proc a lot ). overtime heal (another Hot who stack with counterbias slow ), aa slow , aa spirit of cheetah run speed , instant FD ring (rechargeable ),
if you died and got a rez (oom ) , you still can chain cast for almost 5 min (mana free from an aa (35 min refresh ).
and the list goes on ...............................

btw, i got other high level alts, with many aa's ;
lv 95 mages (2 ), druid lv 95 , monk lv 95 ,cleric lv 95 ,enchanter lv 95, necro lv 91 , but no one give me the fun the shaman class give..................


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cool maybe a shamy then
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#21 Jul 18 2012 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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made a Vah Shir shamy... any spare gear to me please

also i'll keep taking more suggestions as have more slots open


Edited, Jul 18th 2012 12:17pm by EQaddict1
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#22 Jul 18 2012 at 11:10 PM Rating: Decent
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depend if you like casters or not,if i had only one account :
shaman would be my caster choice.
melee would maybe go with shadownight.

i really like the shaman class, but at the lower level they are not so powerfull,they get better at higher levels.
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what server are you playing btw ?
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Magician, especially with a Healer merc, can do anything. To me, that flexibility is "fun."

I had a regular group in House of Thule xpac but I could also easily kill named with just my pet and merc in group gear when nobody I knew was online.

A Bard has skills from almost every other class rolled into one so they are very fun but take quite a bit of skill to play.

If fun for you is just plain hurting things then a Wizard or Rogue. Very low stress in groups because all you will be asked to do is damage.

Personally, I don't think tanks Warrior, Shadow Knight or Paladin or main healers like Clerics are fun because you have so much responsibility to keep your group alive. It's like going to work to support your family. Of course if you like "saving the day" that will be fun.

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#26 Jul 20 2012 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
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i agree MAGE rock hard also, i prefer shaman as caster but my mage alts rock.
you got good tanking via pet,,pulling via coh and dps .............

shaman are weak at low level imo and not that fun like they can be at higher levels.
#27 Jul 21 2012 at 11:24 AM Rating: Default
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well,anyway with merc's help (specially tank one ), that's make xp ing much faster than it was when i started my shaman 12 years ago Smiley: nod

so many years i didn't solo,so many thing 's have changed since then............

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Hey, I gotta put in a vote for DRUID here. I've played every class at least a bit, and I keep going back to my dr00d whenever I want to just goof around and explore. Maybe that's part of the reason since they're probably the best pure travellers in the game. But druids are multi-talented in many other ways. Consider:

Decent DPS, both nuke and dot... magic, fire and cold. One of my early guilds I used to be the biggest damage-dealer on raids until the wizards "grew up." ;)

Solid healer, very close to as good as clerics, including having their own version of Promised Restoration; can cure as well. Has 90% rez, as well as "call to corpse" for later cleric 96% rez

Great buffs: HPs, regen, STR, SPEED, LEV, etc.

DAMAGE SHIELDS: super for PLing at all levels, especially the heavy-duty short duration and limited #hits special versions

PORTS: both self and group

EVACS: including instant

INVIS: can instant self- and group-invis and it never drops prematurely

TELEPORT TO BIND: great for moving groups around

Invulnerability AA---triggered, but this can sometimes suck---example just recently I died because this AA triggered and I couldn't cast an evac under its "protection" yet it doesn't prevent you being stunned. So when the AA wore off I was standing there like an idiot with a boss and six of his minions waiting. Even instant evac isn't THAT "instant." On the other hand, this AA has saved my **** many a time, as long as I don't get stunned so overall it's a PLUS!

Excellent Solo class... best class to "quad-kite", altho only useful at lower levels since in its infinite "wisdom" Sony has never seen fit to upgrade our ranged aoe nukes..../glare

Can snare, ensnare (14-min duration with AAs... nobody matches THAT!), root (with and without damage (so as not to break mez)---plus low-resist versions available), charm animals (OK big woot, but has its albeit very situational uses), knockback-root, debuff, cancel magic, etc. Has aoe versions of snare and root in multiple "flavors." About only useful negative spells not available to druids are mez and slow... in terms of beneficial spells, we CAN haste...but only our pets!

CAN SUMMON A PET! OK, Bobo is useless, but he's cute!

CAN HOLD AGGRO LIKE A b*stard! Ok, maybe not very often called-for. But I do recall long ago on a Vex Thal raid I wagered with the guild's main tank (a warrior) that I could tank a named as well as he could. I guess he mentioned it to the RL and he called me on it. So I tanked one of the VT nameds and held aggro 100% of the entire fight, much to the surprise of the raid. The secret? Chain-snaring! Fast-cast and mobs hate to be snared. If holding aggro during a named fight is the need, druids are the answer! If damage mitigation due to high AC and related stats are the need cuz the named hits like a Mack truck... not so much. ;)

There are others which I will add later. Bottom line, very multi-talented toon, fun to play solo, group or raider. Certainly a class to be mentioned in any thread entitled "Most fun EQ class"!

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#29 Jul 28 2012 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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cool anyone else got a opinion?
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#30 Jul 30 2012 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Magician, especially with a Healer merc, can do anything. To me, that flexibility is "fun."

I had a regular group in House of Thule xpac but I could also easily kill named with just my pet and merc in group gear when nobody I knew was online.

A Bard has skills from almost every other class rolled into one so they are very fun but take quite a bit of skill to play.

If fun for you is just plain hurting things then a Wizard or Rogue. Very low stress in groups because all you will be asked to do is damage.


You need to tell that to my groups I guess, since as a Wizard I seem to spend an awful lot of time pulling. Smiley: lol Admittedly though that's not normal. I do think the "low stress" comment is a bit off the mark though, since our DPS can be extremely spiky and in a group with either a merc or a bad tank, pulling aggro is always a concern.

I've only ever played a Wizard (since '99), and while I love the class, I can't honestly recommend it. SOE is either unwilling and/or unable to balance our total lack of utility and survivability with an appropriate level of burst DPS. And in the rare cases where they do get close to a reasonable balance - early TSS with insta-cast nukes for example - they nerf us, repeatedly.

I have to agree with Reyla that at least right now, Mages are a tremendous class. Mages have always had a tank (pet) plus DPS; now add a cleric merc and they have a ready-made group, just by themselves. Best solo class in the game, bar none.

You did mention raiding though, and if that's a consideration you can't go wrong with a Bard as they are always in demand. I'd say it's an easy class to play, and a challenging one to play well.

Good luck with whatever you end up choosing.

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ok thanks guys... anyone else got an opinion?
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Sure. Most fun class for me is my enchanters (3 of them, so I can hang out with groups at various levels).

Enchanters get to do the most cool things--charmed pets, mez to stop trains, lots of illusions and a permanent illusion AA. I love being able to help people get around because of having both invis (fixed duration) and invis vs undead. Enchanters are nice in groups because of haste, clarity, and slow. My enchanter does the pulling in dungeons with lull, mezzes any adds, and delivers exactly what the group wanted. Rune helps keep me from dying on every pull, though I do once in a while :)

Memory blur--this can't be beat! How often do you get to take a mob that your group already pulled and say "send it back"? Ok, I don't use it all that often, but when I do, it sure is fun. My enchanter has often been the last one standing when things went bad, because of all the cool utility spells, and if I have memory blur loaded, sometimes I can turn a mess into a calm, empty camp, so that resses can start right away.

Enchanter abilities change with level. At some levels, charm doesn't work. At some levels AE stun/mez works well, other times it doesn't. Once I held off over 30 mobs in a dungeon while our group decided what to do with them. As it turned out, we couldn't figure out what to do with them because we couldn't do enough damage quick enough, but we got to walk away instead of starting corpse recovery.

Downside--one problem with the enchanter is that although they can do some things nobody else can, those usually aren't critical functions, and in a well functioning group in a fairly safe area, an enchanter doesn't have a lot of DPS to fall back on if a charmed pet isn't available.

One way to try out other classes is to use one of your high level characters and shroud down--but be aware that shrouding doesn't always give you the real flavor of a class--for example shrouded enchanters don't have memory blur, but they do have spirit of wolf (which real enchanters don't, except as a self only illusion).
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Enchanters are great to play, as long as you realize that in a group they can require a lot of "work" and they can be stressful, especially in a high-powered fast-pulling group.

The MOST fun playing an enchanter is when the puller screws up and brings in far too many mobs. You can almost feel the sphincters puckering up in the group, especially the cleric. Nobody wants to be the first to cry "run for your life!" so everyone nervously stands their ground, figuring better to suffer death in a wipeout with your groupmates than be labeled a coward. (Or, even better, hope to be the final survivor so THEN you can run to the zone like a scalded cat and nobody can say much!)

But as an enchanter, you can cast an aoe-mez, and if you get no resists, INSTANTLY a pack of mobs are frozen in place. Then you can use that LAA to label the mobs and then the enchanter takes command of the group, directing which mob to attack and in what sequence. At lower levels, where mana can be scarce, this requires careful management in order to keep the mobs mezzed, slowed and crippled, without running OOM. Once the last mob is engaged, you can feel the collective "whew" of relief from the entire group, particularly if the bad pull took place deep inside a scary dungeon, where a wipeout would mean a long and uncertain (and unproductive) recovery chore.

If the SK is pulling, though, be prepared to deal with mez breaks from the mob he tagged with that annoying snare-dot of theirs!

In Vex Thal the trash mobs always consisted of about half-mezzable and half had to be tanked, and for the raid to crawl its way to a boss, this always involved pulls of between 5-15 mobs at a time. We'd have raids with only 2-3 enchanters and, boy, would they have to be on the ball to keep the mezzable trash under control until the raid could kill off the tankable trash. Even the VT trash has a LOT of HPs so these engagements could take as long as 10 minutes.

Unfortunately, these days, with mana regen so easy to come by, so many high level mobs marked as un-mezzable, the enchanter is much more of an optional support class as opposed to a vital member of a group/raid. The "Holy Trinity" used to be tank-healer-CC (crowd controller), the foundation of any good group. But with so many ways to single-pull, mez, knockback-root parking, tanks able easily to maintain aoe aggro etc., the enchanter is no longer "de rigeur". For many years now Sony has blurred the distinctions which used to give every class its own essential and unique special powers. IMO this culminated in giving both rangers and warriors the ability to single-pull out of a pack of mobs, WHERE WILL IT ALL END?? ;)

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nice thats two chanter mentions... anyone else? Smiley: glare
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#36 Aug 02 2012 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
My favorite 3 classes are:

Cleric: Why do I love the cleric? I can show off my tanking ability. As a plate class, we're able to tank... but just not good enough as a normal tank. I love being a battle cleric. ;)

Wizard: When Seeds of Destruction came out, I almost quit EQ because of the cleric merc. Instead, I switched mains from the cleric to a wizard. I've been loving her since because of my nuking ability. She's level 85 now with almost 2600 aa's and can crit harder than most classes the same level. =)

Shadowknight: I was bored one day and decided to make a shadowknight to bash some heads in. This one is definitely one of my favorites, but will never replace my Wizard. :P
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Necromancer, of course.
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i think necromancers & thier hybrid are nice too.

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Yeah, but WHY? Can't just say "necros rock." WHY do they rock? Pontificate!
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You have self invis and self undead invis. Instant AA versions.
You have self evac (and gate).
You have a self levitate (and underwater breathing).
You have self buffs for in combat mana regen (which might not be as important as it used to be.. but not waiting > waiting still?)
So you can poke into most anyplace.. and if all this fails, you have feign death.
Used to be corpse summoning and rez.. but I think this benefit is largely void now?

You can kill things by fear kiting, aggro kiting, root rotting, pet tanking, tap tanking. You are not the best at most of these, but you have more viable soloing options than any class.

As I understand it, Mages are the current kings of soloing. And they have a lot of utility (and arguably even less gear reliance since they can summon basic focus items). But when your pet dies, what is your aggro wipe? Death and run back? Rogues have slightly better freedom of travel.. but isn't it still painful to solo with one? And Bards perhaps.. I don't have any real experience with Bards beyond 10 or 20 seasons.. but melee class means gear dependent.

If I had to pick one class, it would be a Necro for all these reasons.
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"Self", "Self", "Self".... necro is the "selfish" class. Note this is probably the biggest weakness of a necro, they almost have to enjoy soloing since they're not really all that good in groups. And forget about raids. In the "olden days" necro utility for raids was to mana-pump the clerics and enchanters. Most necros hated that duty, understandably, since it meant they spent the entire raid just transferring their mana to other raiders. But mana regen and conservation isn't much of an issue anymore for any class.

Don't get me wrong... I've played necros and generally enjoyed them. But as you indicate most of their non-selfish utility is gone now. Corpse summoning used to be a BIG deal and necro rez had its vital uses at one time. A classic was to have a necro drag a dead mage thru a very dangerous zone (either group or raid) to a safe spot, feign to clear accumulated aggro and then necro-rez the mage so the mage could CoHero the rest of the players. This just isn't really needed anymore except in very rare cases. (I did this once in my memory to get to the camp in Ashengate to pharm that non-lore HP augment that you can have in 8 different slots, but that's the only time I can remember.)

Wizards out-dps necros and have other valuable abilities to offer groups and raids. I can't think of many cases where I'd take a necro over a wizard (or mage) to fill out a group or raid force.

On a raid, maybe in a situation where a necro-only no-drop item drops... that's like the only reason I can think of...

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"Self", "Self", "Self".... necro is the "selfish" class. Note this is probably the biggest weakness of a necro, they almost have to enjoy soloing since they're not really all that good in groups. And forget about raids. In the "olden days" necro utility for raids was to mana-pump the clerics and enchanters. Most necros hated that duty, understandably, since it meant they spent the entire raid just transferring their mana to other raiders.


Not disagreeing with you re the Necro's roles and relative strength (to other dps classes) changing over the years but after lvl 86, once a necro is well AA'd, his dps explodes in the group game (by stacking "swift dots" in the line up which can crit for over 30K damage per tick on a level 90 necro ..Once the mob has higher hitpoints like HOT and VOA mobs(especially the named ) then he will shine dps wise in the group. But if the group is taking down lower HP mobs in under 30 secs the necro will not shine as much, even with the short duration swift dots running as it takes x amount of time to stack the dots...Then more time for them to run their coarse for mana/damage efficiency.

They also get the RB (Reluctant Benevolence) AA line that has a good chance to proc/heal the group when any castor (in the group) casts a damaging spell on a mob..This can be a major source of healing in the right type of group and setting..And at 90 with all relevant aas enabled (spell casting reinforcement-buff extension aas), RB can be virtually available all of the time.

Edit: Refresh time is 6 mins and it's duration is almost six minutes long at max rank (6 at lvl 90) with all buff duration extension AA's including the buff extension focus on gear/items.

Before the swift dots (lvls 86+) the necro will struggle to make an impression-DPS wise- in an otherwise high dps group taking down mobs quickly...but after 86 that changes dramatically in the group game.. In the Raid game, "swift dot" crit damage was significantly nerfed sometime ago.

Despite our bad reputation in groups, the Necro gains some group value when they get RB and their HOT AA's and swiftdots starting from lvl 86...Other than that, part of being a necro is about soloing and kiting is generally the bread and butter xp method if solo, root rotting if indoors and sometimes at the higher levels mainly due to mob density and lack of kiting areas in some 85+ zones.

Edited, Aug 4th 2012 3:03pm by hexeez
#43 Aug 04 2012 at 4:31 AM Rating: Good
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No doubt necros can dish out the dot damage. But even with critting dots, their dps won't match a wizard of similar level and AAs. Nor a magician and his pet is superior to a necro's. The group heal AA is interesting, yet another example of the trend in EQ to "blend" and "blur" class abilities. From what I read it's a "chance" at a 2000HP heal. While every heal is a good thing, with even caster toons having 50k+ HPs these days, 2k is a veritable drop in the bucket. (Makes me laugh every time I read the description of the cleric spell "Complete Heal" and I see what little impact it would have on my 85k HP warrior. LOL)

We agree, though, a necro is more about soloing. That's why I'm nostalgic for the days where corpse summoning had real value because needing to recover my corpse led me to make friends with a few necros who otherwise I'd never have encountered. One thing I kinda recall is that most necros would never have a problem with travelling across multiple zones to get to a dungeon to summon your corpse. I think they took pride in that class-specific ability and were somewhat flattered to have someone requesting their assistance. Necros travelled well too since, again, as soloers, they needed to be able to. Always seems when I used to "hire" a cleric to rez my corpse I had to hand-hold a lot of them all the way to the zone. In the old game, clerics were so in-demand by groups that some of them became group-dependent and lost the ability to travel or play solo.

Edited, Aug 4th 2012 6:34am by Sippin
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Sippin wrote:
The group heal AA is interesting, yet another example of the trend in EQ to "blend" and "blur" class abilities. From what I read it's a "chance" at a 2000HP heal. While every heal is a good thing, with even caster toons having 50k+ HPs these days, 2k is a veritable drop in the bucket. (Makes me laugh every time I read the description of the cleric spell "Complete Heal" and I see what little impact it would have on my 85k HP warrior. LOL)


True, that many class unique abilities have been sold out to other classes over the years. While I must concede that the Necro is not supposed to compete with a Wiz or Mage in burst dps. Hence, the Necro's devaluation dps wise in a group mowing down mobs in under 30 secs..

But RB on my 90 Necro main (full AA's) averages in the 5500-7000+ hp heals iirc and an exceptional heal around 12-14K ish. In a group with castors it can proc 4-5 times in a 10 second period..sometimes even more when a Mage or Wizard or any castor is doing their dps thing...It's a very effective form of healing coverage especially near the endgame with mob dps spikes and AE damage from some named mobs so high nowadays..The only drawbacks are that to proc the heals it is dependent on a group with castors casting their dd and dots regularly throughout the fight.
I believe RB has a 25% chance to proc from each damaging spell cast on the mob from any group member in spell range of the Necro.

Yeah, corpse summoning days are gone...even our rez (93%) was in demand at times but mercs ( which I am happy for) helped marginalize our 93% rez...So much for the essence emeralds I used to hoard..

Haha, Seems like the complete heal needs a revamp for clerics or a name change if the developers dont upgrade it for the current game lol.

The one ability I am happy that EQ has discontinued is twitching or mana feeding the healer or cleric, as a Necro is about sustained dps and mana feeding is...A most boring utility for the explorationary, attack minded demographic that plays necros as their main....imho.

Edited, Aug 4th 2012 4:08pm by hexeez
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As a Wizard who has spent a decent amount of time in a VoA T4 group with a necro, I agree RB is a pretty useful ability. Perhaps less so with a real cleric, but it seems to help mitigate the damage spikes that the mercs are sometimes poor at
dealing with.

I think in the modern game, flexibility in a class is more desirable than having such a narrow focus, and that's one of the big strengths Necros (and Mages) have over Wizards. Mercs have made pickup groups much more viable then they were when the holy trinity was the norm, and that means classes that can play mulitiple roles can bring more to a group than a pure class. Necros can not only DPS but also pull, help heal, mez in some circumstances, root, etc. Mages can DPS, pet tank, provide some nifty items (SoS cloak, etc.), and with CoH can allow another player of pretty much any class to pull.

Like many things these days, the value of a given class to a raid is different than it is to a group...I'm hard pressed to see though how a Wizard "ha[s] other valuable abilities to offer groups and raids." Necros can both snare and root; Wizard evac can be nice in a group setting but it's value has been reduced by the easy availabilty of merc rez. What am I missing?

I'm really not trying to be super critical of Wizards; that's what I play and the only class I have played (so take my comments for what you will), but we are a very one-dimentional class at a time in EQ's life when that's not such a good thing.

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Wizards bring a wide variety of dps... instant-nukes, lures (mostly irrresistible nukes), rains, high-powered fast-cast nukes focused on cold, fire and magic, etc. As a boxer I find their TL to bind, zephyr spells and "punting" spells (sends another player to their bind point) often very valuable. These are all benefits to a group, less so to a raid. I'm still not super-convinced that what passes for necro heal ability is all that useful. When I box I rarely have to heal anyone other than the tank. I box a druid and a cleric, (sometimes adding a shaman, depending on the fight) and they all have very rapid group heals that have to be far superior to an intermittent triggered necro heal.

Again, I'm not going out of my way to knock necros. But I haven't read anything here that would make me prefer to have a necro over a wiz (or mage) in a group or raid.
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#47 Aug 06 2012 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Sippin wrote:
"Self", "Self", "Self".... necro is the "selfish" class. Note this is probably the biggest weakness of a necro, they almost have to enjoy soloing since they're not really all that good in groups

And this is were your definition of "fun" and mine divert. Self reliance was fun. I would call that the biggest strength of a necro.

Edit: I re-read your last post above.. and I'm not saying I would either.




Edited, Aug 6th 2012 8:36am by Felicite
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Yes, Wizards have a lot of nukes, but...

Instants were nerfed heavily (a few times) and haven't really kept up with the increase in mob HPs. They're convenient for mixing in during a kite, or possibly getting the kill shot on a runner, but unfortunately are not useful like they were back when they were introduced during TSS.

Lures; is there any reasonably current content where the lower resist check is worth the drop in efficiency? Granted I missed everything between TBS and HoT, but I can't recall using a lure since Velious.

Unless they fixed rains in the past few years (and admittedly I haven't tested them), they have always been completely useless because you never got three 'waves' per mob; there was a finite number of times the spell would land.

No arguments about having a mix of fire, cold, and magic nukes, of various sizes, and the transport spells are of course useful. But a huge portion of our spellbook is meaningless. Maybe it's the difference between boxing a Wizard and playing one as a primary/only character. *shrug*

Not trying to be argumentative, it's just an interesting discusison.

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Yeah, I play a wiz as a box; my "mains" are my druid and warrior. I'm not sure I'd be happy playing a wiz as a main. There does appear to be a ton of useless stuff in a wizard's spellbook. But I assume if someone plays a wizard as their main and can put all their attention on playing they can squeeze out even more dps by twin-casting, timing their heavy mana nukes for when gift of radiant mana is active, coordinating debuffs and type of nukes being cast to maximize damage etc. Rain spells always land three times if it's a single target. They can land 4 times total on 2 more more targets. I like to mix in rains because that damage will occur even while I'm actively casting a different nuke. It's the best substitute for a "dot" that wizards get. Even boxed, my wizard will always out-dps my other casters, sometimes even taking aggro away from my warrior. And it's always fun to see the occasional 60k or more crit.

I've been toying with the idea of making 3 new wizards with F2P accounts to run as extra high-grade dps during group fights. But I probably will never find the time. LOL

Edited, Aug 6th 2012 7:41pm by Sippin
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#50 Sep 05 2012 at 1:04 AM Rating: Decent
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i would agree with you.. i love my shaman... Been fun for over 12 years...can do it all.. can even tank a bit.. with lots of AC augs .... but overall a great addition to any group..i het invite to groups looking for DPS../ heals/ and support... so it always fumm.. tho i dont like to heal... i can




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#51 Sep 05 2012 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I love playing a necro when u get in trouble you just FD and can make pp like crazy:) great DPS also and now you can dot and rot them to death . Pets can be a good tank and with a mecr healer its just awesome to play one:) hope it helps









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