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#1 Mar 22 2012 at 9:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lost the old thread for this, so I thought I'd start is back up, some fun ones I remember.



DID YOU KNOW?



That there is a game inside a game, type in the command /gem when playing Everquest, to enjoy a fun mini time-waster!
Gameception!

That there was a bow released in the original Everquest (1999) that had the stats of 120 dmg/20 delay? Check out Oakwynd.

There was one a mob called Kerafym, the Sleeper? The mob, once awakened would zone thoughout Vellious killing everyone in its path, this was a ONE TIME only event per Server, and the ONLY server to kill him, was actually from the all out PVP server, Rallos Zek (everyone fought everyone)?

Did you know, there used to be 3 PVP servers?

The First Epic questline to be created was the Paladin Epic?

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Edited, Mar 23rd 2012 12:00am by LuckyPoseidon
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#2 Mar 22 2012 at 10:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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http://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=1&mid=119792777116191819&h=50&p=5#247

I found it after adjusting forum search :) feel free to repost some from here that you like.
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#3 Mar 22 2012 at 10:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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They had a best of the best tournament between all the servers. Each server had a representative from each class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGA8wt_9mWM

This is the link for the rogue tourney. Some of the old sweet graphics from 2000.
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#4 Mar 23 2012 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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The tournament was great-- I remember watching this on Erollisi Marr. The fights took a decent amount of time, unlike PvP in most games these days.
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#5 Mar 23 2012 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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It was fun...I was on Vallon at the time, and I remember that the SK winner was a human, which was a real surprise because the "dark" side was running away with the server at the time. Be interesting if they brought this back...Smiley: sly
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It was fun...I was on Vallon at the time, and I remember that the SK winner was a human, which was a real surprise because the "dark" side was running away with the server at the time. Be interesting if they brought this back... Smiley: sly



Lol it would be like watching Gods fight now.


Did you know...

...that the bard songs "Song of Highsun" and "Song of Midnight" were originally castable during daylight and nighttime hours, respectively? In 2002, SOE decided to remove the restrictions and allow each to be sung at any time. I don't know of any other spells that had a time of day restriction.


Shift-T (default setting?) will bring up your 'Title' window, which can be useful/fun while kiting and you need a rear-view mirror.

When Everquest first came out, there was an introductory movie that would play while the game was loading or patching or something. I think you were able to skip it by pressing a key. At some point they changed the game startup file to no longer play the movie.







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#7 Mar 23 2012 at 4:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did you know.....?

-- In the early days of EQ, the winner of a duel was announced server-wide. A number of players were well known simply for their constant dueling.

-- The /consent command used to grant the consented person full ownership of that corpse, including the ability to loot it. This became a common trick for selling no drop items; you would bank all of your gear, duel the person and let them kill you, then consent them so that they could then loot the no drop item from your corpse.

--- There used to be a lot of players who set up a toon as a "link bot" -- that you could send a specially worded tell to and get an item link back. Recipes too. You could then relink the links.
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#8 Mar 23 2012 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone remember the ORIGINAL tutorial? I barely remember it myself. It wasn't on-line and there were no mobs in it. It was just to practice moving and hailing NPCs and the like. You could "play" it (if you can call it "play") on your PC without even being on-line since the whole zone was on the client.

Remember when DOTS were much less stackable? Different players of the same class could NOT stack the same dot on a mob... only the cast from the highest level player would land. This change made a huge difference on raids. Same thing for individual players with DOTS of the same line. You could only stack the highest-level spell on a mob.

At one time mounts had no acceleration issues. Not sure if this was a patch change or was from the beginning. I do remember quad-kiting with my druid and the mana regen while fighting made for fast kills. Then one day they nerfed it and mounted kiting was no longer practical.

Remember when wizards could stack manaburn on a mob? Timing their casts right, a full group of wizards could insta-kill Old World dragons without any of them getting summoned. Thus was born the old "wizard mafias" on various servers. You could hire them to kill a quest dragon for you, without needing to get the help of an entire guild. Then they nerfed it so only one manaburn could land on a mob in a period of time.

Remember when EQ expansions came on disks and in boxes with "extras"? Remember the last one of that type had like 10 disks? I can remember installing 9 of them and then the installation failed on the 10th disk because it was scratched and I had to start all over with a new set.

Did you know at one time there were no chat channels? Raids would have to be conducted using /ooc. Made for real confusion when two guilds were running raids in the same zone.

More to come as I reflect...



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#9 Mar 23 2012 at 11:55 PM Rating: Good
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Remember when you could bind anyone, and not be in a group with them....Smiley: sly

led to "bind-camping" on the pvp servers, which you could only get out of by crashin your comp...:)
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#10 Mar 24 2012 at 12:00 AM Rating: Good
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When zek first started you could loot from any non-bag slot on the person you killed. It was fun to watch peoples gear disappear when they knew they were gonna die but didn't know how to key map...Smiley: lol
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#11 Mar 24 2012 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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In the beginning, when you looted a corpse there was no message to the group. This caused a lot of problems with people looting items and telling the group "nothing dropped."
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#12 Mar 24 2012 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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The dot stacking change was huge...

As a chanter (already low dps in a group, especially if the group was scared of charmed pets --which most were) having all your pathetic dots overwritten by other classes was truly frustrating.

For classes like necro and druid (that get quite a few dots 30-60) this change was huge as it allowed you to make a dot-heavy spell rotation. The old enchanter in me wishes they had given chanters more dot options and better dots overall.

I concede this would only have helped for a bit anyways because group dps scaled so fast over the next few expacs that burst damage made dotting and crowd control obsolete for most group level content. Swift dots on my chanter during GoD era would have been really nice...

Thanks for reviving this thread (as a new one) with a link to the old one Luckyposeidon. Things weren't always better back in the day.
#13 Mar 25 2012 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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The dot stacking change was huge...

As a chanter (already low dps in a group, especially if the group was scared of charmed pets --which most were) having all your pathetic dots overwritten by other classes was truly frustrating.

For classes like necro and druid (that get quite a few dots 30-60) this change was huge as it allowed you to make a dot-heavy spell rotation. The old enchanter in me wishes they had given chanters more dot options and better dots overall.

I concede this would only have helped for a bit anyways because group dps scaled so fast over the next few expacs that burst damage made dotting and crowd control obsolete for most group level content. Swift dots on my chanter during GoD era would have been really nice...

Thanks for reviving this thread (as a new one) with a link to the old one Luckyposeidon. Things weren't always better back in the day.



Always happy to bring back the past :)


Did you Know...?

There used to be 4 Freeports? North, South, West, and East, in which there was a good side, and an evil side...

After Freeport was revamped, there was a way to get back to the old one? The way was by going through to East Commonlands, then zoning back through the same ZL.. Which means that the files for Freeport are still in game :)

You actually used to have to LEVEL UP sense heading? It didn't start out maxed, which actually was used to help people move around, since there were NO maps.

That the Expansion that many believe "killed" Everquest is actually PoP? Before PoP there was no centralized zone, no guild lobby, no guild hall, no instant transports (save a certain room in Timorous deep.. ehehe) to ANYWHERE, and finally, no centralized zone for spells.

That you can become a PVP Flagged character by talking to the Priest of Discord and following his speech? You will always be flagged for PVP Irrelevant to being in a PVP Arena or not, it is permanent, you can't get buffs from other players, and will have a very noticeable Red Name instead of a purple/blue one.

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I only remember N, E, and W for freeport. See http://www.eqmacwiki.com/eqatlas/freeport.html EQ2 had a South Freeport before revamp.

The first Nektulos revamp wasn't active for those without DoDh expansion, so some people could be in the new Nuktulos, while others without the expansion would be in the old one. Thankfully, they redid the revamp to make it more like the original, and I believe eventually took away the expansion flag. The first revamp was horrid.

Guild Lobby was introduced with and required DoN expansion, while Guild Hall was introduced with and required DoDh expansion, much later than PoP.

The main reason was not the expansion (PoP), but that Sony took over control of the game development (or something to that affect, I never really cared about it or paid much attention, but the design was noticeably different than previous expansions).

From memory, it was a server timing problem or zone server crashes that caused the PoR revamps to take you to the old versions of zones, as I remember zoning into the old South Ro from Innothule Swamp when the new version of South Ro was unavailable.

Timing is the reason behind many issues. For example, it's not too difficult with a slower computer to run past the zone line. Some zones have very extended parts of the zone past the zone line, while others don't. Some of the post-zoneline models allow you to walk off the texture. MPG is very cool looking outside the walls. Seems like it's floating in blackness. Seems like I got pushed through a wall once, or maybe I was shrunk and peeking through a corner, can't remember.

That's enough for now.

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#15 Mar 25 2012 at 2:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I only remember N, E, and W for freeport. See http://www.eqmacwiki.com/eqatlas/freeport.html EQ2 had a South Freeport before revamp.

The first Nektulos revamp wasn't active for those without DoDh expansion, so some people could be in the new Nuktulos, while others without the expansion would be in the old one. Thankfully, they redid the revamp to make it more like the original, and I believe eventually took away the expansion flag. The first revamp was horrid.

Guild Lobby was introduced with and required DoN expansion, while Guild Hall was introduced with and required DoDh expansion, much later than PoP.

The main reason was not the expansion (PoP), but that Sony took over control of the game development (or something to that affect, I never really cared about it or paid much attention, but the design was noticeably different than previous expansions).

From memory, it was a server timing problem or zone server crashes that caused the PoR revamps to take you to the old versions of zones, as I remember zoning into the old South Ro from Innothule Swamp when the new version of South Ro was unavailable.

Timing is the reason behind many issues. For example, it's not too difficult with a slower computer to run past the zone line. Some zones have very extended parts of the zone past the zone line, while others don't. Some of the post-zoneline models allow you to walk off the texture. MPG is very cool looking outside the walls. Seems like it's floating in blackness. Seems like I got pushed through a wall once, or maybe I was shrunk and peeking through a corner, can't remember.

That's enough for now.

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Ah, in regards to Freeport, I didn't fact check on that, pure memory, my apologies.

Didn't realize that was when Sony took over... in regards to PoP, but I was actually just trying to shine some light that there used to not be any of what we take full advantage of nowadays ;) but I should have been more specific, my apologies :)
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It's all good. Just thought I'd mention it before someone took it the wrong way and started a rant. Some people, even today, are still vehemently opposed to Sony, and rave about Verant or 999 studios or whatever.

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Not really ancient history but newer players sure won't remember back when pets would vanish if you invisd, zoned or camped. Made playing pet classes a real PITA especially if you played multiple toons. They wouldn't take group buffs either so you always had to buff the pets afterwards.

Remember no saved spell-sets? Reloading after a death was always time-consuming especially for those with a disorganized spellbook.

Eliminating the need to level up SENSE HEADING is overly care-bareish to me since the in-game maps alone make it virtually impossible to get lost.

Edited, Mar 25th 2012 10:53am by Sippin
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Did you know...?

That a lot of spells used to require you having a reagent to cast them? Often semi-pricey gems.

That there is actually a giant-sized chest board in Butcherblock? Its rumored that killing the Pawns and Knights can spawn a King or Queen.

That the Paladin Epic, is almost impossible to complete? It was the first Epic quest the programmers made, and requires killing Dragons that, even nowadays are hunted down to the very minute of spawn for their very sellable twink loot?


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If you are PVP-flagged (rednamed) on a regular server and do a server transfer you lose the pvp tag (my druid lost pvp status when moved from Trakanon to FV recently).

Sony always owned and was in charge of EQ. Verant was a subsid. Sony decided to amalgamate all there gaming subsids (they didn't take over Verant.. they were Verant).

Design change for PoP is often attributed to the loss of "the vision" which occurred midway through Luclin developement when McQuaid and Sony parted ways.
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Thanks for giving some detail too it. And, reinforcing the reasons I didn't / don't really care. It was business decisions (pretty minor on the consolidation) that people just blew out of proportion.

Time changes some peoples perspective. PoP is now commonly among the top 3 expansions. I even rate GoD highly now, and was discourage with it at the beginning due it's difficulty and the addition of aliens so heavily into the lore (correct me if I'm off on this, but GoD is the first I noticed it). PoP on the other hand, I really liked despite the vision change.

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Ahhhh...chessboard. Was so cool to take low level clerics there and work undead spells....

Before bazaar traders people would use /shout or /occ to sell items. Faydark was renamed fay-mart on the vallon....I understand that commons tunnel was a great place to sell, also.

Freeport also had a sewer system under it. ( Not sure if it still does) Was fun to run around under it, and to the North side of the main gate was a vendor in a secret hole in the wall that sold rogue poison supplies.

Guards at the entrance to cities used to be just normal level 50 mobs. They became the thing to kill, and lower level players complained because they would bring back mobs to guards, but none were there to save them, so the guards got UBER buffed.

Before the days of shared banks, the only way to trade items between your alts was to place bag on ground, log out, then log in with other toon. Was super scary and exciting because if you crashed, the bag would be gone when you came back, or while logging someone could pick it up and your gear would be gone.

AND....you used to have to run back to your corpse...( before guild lobby )...Most people kept a spare set of armor in the bank just for corpse runs...when Kunark came out, some of those zones were a real pain to locate your corpse...Smiley: grin

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Killing guards was bad enough, but Kelethin on Druzzil used to have regular banker killers. That really bit, having to run to Felwithe (rarely, but sometimes they killed the Felwithe banker) or worse yet, Ak`Anon or Kaladim to bank.

Dropping rusty weapons was a good way to find true north when low level (Sense heading was level capped on max skill). If no weapons were available to drop, watching the cloud movements gave a generalized sense of direction (I don't remember for sure, but thinks it's east to west).

Many skills used to be level capped that aren't now. Alchemy and Make Poison used to be.

The original Deluxe Sewing Kits were from a patch screw-up in Oct of 2000, where they put 10-slot regular Sewing Kits on tailoring merchants. Once they noticed it, they quickly shut down all servers, repatched and renamed the 10-slot ones Deluxe. Not long after Velious was released and had Deluxe Toolboxes for sell in Iceclad Ocean, but very few people knew about them at the time.

The original Yther had bought lots (only 8 bank slots back then, so think I only got 8) during that **** up. If I'd been really smart, I would made a bunch of alts and loaded them up too.

You used to be able to make descent money buying tradeskill supplies from merchants, doing the combines and selling the results back to the merchants. That is, if you had descent faction and charisma, and a fairly low failure rate.

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Yther wrote:

You used to be able to make descent money buying tradeskill supplies from merchants, doing the combines and selling the results back to the merchants. That is, if you had descent faction and charisma, and a fairly low failure rate.

Yther Ore.


There's a McQuaid quote out there somewhere... tradeskills were originally intented as a money maker all the way up via vendor reselling. They quickly changed tactics when they realized how some "committed" tradeskillers were using this.

You could fill a whole thread with just the changes to pets... I remember the first time I cast invis on a group member (bad mobs coming and we were low mana) and his kitted pet poofed (he was mad at me --oops). The rest of the group was happy for the invis though.
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The chessboard king isn't a rumor, he's a regular spawn at the chessboard in Butcher. Pawns, rooks, bishops, knights and the king himself. I remember the King fearing my baby dorf warrior one time and he ran right up the wall of the zone in terror. It TERRORIZED me as a noob player since I had no idea what was going on, having never been feared before!

There used to be a rumor that the QUEEN existed too but she was a super-rare spawn. IN those days, before the kind of exact references we have today, those kinds of rumors could persist a long time. Alas, our days of EQ innocence are long over...

The other way to tell direction back when sense heading had to be trained was to watch the clouds. I believe in Old World zones, at least, they always move in the same direction.



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There used to be an external IM client for chatting with friends online without having to log into the game. Great tool for work my buddy used to message me raid schedules and updates on raids when i couldnt make it.
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Unsuspecting looky-loos would get locked in the East FP bank vault and only rogues with 200 lock pick skill were able to reopen the vault door.

Rogue didn't get the evade skill until early 2000.

Rogues frequently pick-pocketed while grouped but always denied it.

Jumping from the FV arch while carrying 10,000 copper could be fatal.
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There used to be an external IM client for chatting with friends online without having to log into the game. Great tool for work my buddy used to message me raid schedules and updates on raids when i couldnt make it.


I remember that :) but the thing is that it stopped working at one point... was very useful.
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Did you know...?

There is an MP3 player for EQ? /mp3

To buy most of your spells, it took a lot of work and running around? Now with the recent patch, most/all of them are available in PoK (All the way up to 85)

There is a clickie throwing weapon that Paladins can use?
Bracer of Hammerfal - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4260


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LuckyPoseidon wrote:

To buy most of your spells, it took a lot of work and running around? Now with the recent patch, most/all of them are available in PoK (All the way up to 85)


Not to mention the quest spells. I remember doing the temp quest for my cleric. I had the worst luck getting the drop off the boats in dulak, took about 10 hours total of farming.
#30 Mar 28 2012 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Rogue didn't get the evade skill until early 2000.


Thanks be to John Capozzi (aka "Kendrick"). One of the reasons he's easily one of my favorite MMO designers of all time (add Chardok revamp, Velketor's Labyrinth revamp, Ring of Fire in Acrylia Caverns and ring events in general in EQ as well since those were all his doing)

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Rogues frequently pick-pocketed while grouped but always denied it.


Until the 'busted' message was added (humanoid mobs would say, "STOP THIEF! <rogue's name>")


Here's my entry and it's recent.

Did you know....the difference between permanent and reusable cosmetic augs in the marketplace? Generally speaking, the reusable ones are slightly more expensive than the permanent ones (for example, a bow aug that costs 300 is permanent and the aug is destroyed when you use it. A bow aug that costs 400 can be reused and only requires the cheapest aug distiller (Class I) to remove it). Read the descriptions ('Inspect') and you'll see.

Did you know...the racial xp bonus that halflings enjoy was not intended for them? It was intended for HUMANS due to their inherent disabilities (lack of night vision being chief among them). But due to how the database was sorted, the xp bonus property wound up assigned to halflings (due to alphabetizing or something). After all the code and such was done for the game, the mistake was realized but at that point, it would've been too time consuming/costly to change it so they left it alone. (I forget the source but this was explained at the Fan Faire in Baltimore an age ago)
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I posted this in another did you know thread years ago (my other account which I forgot, then found after I made this one...ugh). If you back yourself into a corner good and start casting a long cast spell you can run forward, left, right, run circles...doesn't matter as long as you go back to the spot where you started casting and you won't be interrupted.
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I'm pretty sure Oakwynd came out during Kunark or Velious era, not classic. One of the rewards related to one of the storyline events. If you look at the item entry here, there aren't any comments about it until 2003.

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Did you there once was a dragon in Lake Rathe?

It's OK if you don't since there never was one. Rumor had it that one was intended to be spawning there but the developers couldn't work out the mechanics in time so they just scrapped the dragon.

In one of my old guilds there was a female cleric who was terrified of mobs in water, especially dragons, so whenever as a group or raid force we had to swim thru water, or even just cross a stream, inevitably somebody would warn her in general chat to watch out for that particular body of water's local dragon---even water like the streams in Crushbone!

After Kunark went live we had her convinced that Sebilis frogs could randomly loot one equipped item from any player they killed so in Seb she always kept her epic water sprinkler bagged.

Yeah, that was mean but all meant in good fun! ;)



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Did you know many years ago a clever guy wrote a utility program which allowed you to explore zones risk-free? It's called EQ Zone Viewer. I do believe it was/is legal because it would just use the info in the zone files on your own computer and build a 3-d representation inside of his own interface which you could explore without being in-game or even on-line.

The zones came with no mobs, no PCs and no interactive items like doors, ground spawns, etc.

It was great for exploring and learning zones. A blast to wander around Plane of Fear, Plane of Hate, Sebilis and other dangerous zones enjoying the design and learning the layout at no risk. Since I was the guild's lead puller at times it helped me an awful lot with new raid zones.

I believe at some point EQ changed the structure of their zone files and the original developer of EQ Zone Viewer had moved on so nobody was around to update the viewer. Too bad since 100s of new zones have been released since and many would be fun to wander thru just to gaze around.
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Oakwynd amazes me still today, I can't even think of another ancient/legendary EQ weapon that would still be equipped by anyone if they had the chance.
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EQ Zone Explorer (the actual name, but you were very close Sippin Smiley: smile) used the old Tutorial engine and when that was changed and removed is when EQZE quit working. From what remember back then, even though it was legal, Sony or maybe it was just the general population frowned upon it's use, claiming an unfair advantage.

EQIM (EQ Instant Messenger) was the old out-of-game chat program that was mentioned earlier and it quit working when Sony made a change to U-chat and cross-server tells to remove the workings of link bots (send a x-server tell with an item name or partial and receive a reply of matching items in the link format). You could log in with the same account as someone else who was in-game and it would work. The only problem with that is the in-game person would often lose all non-standard channels, same as if U-chat had went down.

There was a big problem with getting stuck everywhere when they switched to DirectX 8. Due to this problem not being fixed right away, is when they implemented the /rewind command. It took several months for stuck problem to get mostly fixed.

There was a directional graphics bug that was very annoying (screen would lose all terrain and objects, and only show the sky background when facing certain direction(s)). It took a long time to get fixed (over a year as I remember). Along a similar line, the Mechanical Guardian in DsH was invisible to those not using Pixel Shader 2.0 or higher when SoF first came out. Thankfully target rings still showed up when having it targetted, so you could at least have a general idea where it was at.

When I first started reading Sippin's post about a Dragon in Lake Rathe, I was thinking of the one time Dragon in Lake of Ill Omen (or was it Swamp of No Hope). I don't remember exactly as I didn't get to see it, or even know about it, until it was over. I think I was on a break then, plus if I was even guilded, it wasn't a progressive guild, but one several expansions behind the current expansion.

That's enough for now.

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Did you know...?

People actually used to do PuRs? (Pick up Raids) - while generally not the most successful, it was fun to group with people you didn't know and kill a raid mob for flagging.

You can use the bankers in cities that you're KoS in? It was a change made to the game since people killed bankers, they were made to no longer be killed.

At one point you used to be able to kill the Guild Masters everywhere? Used to be a lot of people would accidently attack them, or even raid cities and kill the GMs (Guard Treitan in North Qeynos can still be killed... as long as Kane Bayle isn't up in his place...) Was always a jolly good time accidentally attacking one of them.
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#39 Mar 29 2012 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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When I first started reading Sippin's post about a Dragon in Lake Rathe, I was thinking of the one time Dragon in Lake of Ill Omen (or was it Swamp of No Hope). I don't remember exactly as I didn't get to see it, or even know about it, until it was over. I think I was on a break then, plus if I was even guilded, it wasn't a progressive guild, but one several expansions behind the current expansion.


It was Swamp of No Hope, in one of the tunnels to Trak's Teeth. Disease based DD/DoT AE. Mob's name was Ithiasor the Fallen. Dropped **** loot, even for that time. The one time I remember doing him, he dropped one piece of loot: a beastlord belt. We never did him again.
#40 Mar 29 2012 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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There are bankers in Thurgadin named Mort and Gage?



Mort/gage. Smiley: tongue
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Stolen from someone who stole it from someone:

If you visit the lakeshore in the West Commonlands, you can find a lonely man skipping stones. His name - Skippyn Stoneshear. ("Skipping Stones Here")

In the Qeynos Hill area, you’ll find Guards Regis and Philbin – a reference to Regis Philbin, the popular American TV talkshow/gameshow host.

In Kithicor Forest, watch for three tigers by the names of Reggit, Eenot, and Hobbes. These look to be plays on three famous tigers: Tigger (from Winnie-The-Pooh), Tony (the Frosted Flakes Tiger), and Hobbes (from the comic strip ‘Calvin and Hobbes’).

In South Karana, there’s a Bard at the fountain named Vhalen which is interpreted by many as an abbreviation for Van Halen, the famous rock and roll band. If you talk to Vhalen, you’ll find he has some interesting things to say about another Bard named "Metala". A reference, perhaps, to a rivalry between Van Halen and the band Metallica?
Staying with the Metallica theme, there are two Barbarians in West Karanas named Lars and Ulrich. Lars Ulrich is the drummer for the Metallica!

In Steamfront, watch out for Feddi Dooger - which is believed to be a reference to horror-film villain, Freddy Krueger, from ‘Nightmare of Elm Street’ fame.

In Freeport you’ll find a Bard Merchant named Jekel Enheid. Get it? "Dr. Jekell and Mr. Hyde"!

In Steamfont, look for a pretty little spider named Charlotte, from the book ‘Charlotte's Web.’

Underneath Qeynos there’s a Gelatinous Cube named Cubert – an obvious reference to the 1980’s era arcade game called Q-Bert!

In the Highkeep music room, you can find two Guards named Chopin and Bach.

At Lake Rathetear you can find Prince Kyrmt Keroppi - a frogluk. So… here we have an interesting mélange of the fairy tale Frog Prince, ‘Kermit the Frog’, and ‘Hello Kitty's’ frog friend Keroppi. What a triple play!

In Kedge Keep there’s a reference to Shakespeare’s MacBeth - two sharks that go by the names of "Cauldronboil" and "Cauldronbubble".
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Im sure just about everyone knows this but with the current influx of new players i suppose it bears mentioning.

Did you know that Qeynos is Sony EQ backwards?
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When I first started in '99 and for several years afterwards, when it rained in game the clip plane was reduced to effecively 5% by mist. It was so easy to run into mobs and get killed. With no in game map, a barely working compass, and no view of the horizon, you would always find yourself lost and totally clueless where you were. I would often sit the rain out, hiding, or even camp out and come back in 15 minutes.

Later, I was able to find Meteorological Rockets made by tinkers, but by then SOE was already toning down rain effects and they were barely needed anymore. I do still carry one - partly for nostalgia.
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If you tried to zone into a zone that you did not have loaded ( missing that expansion ) you ended up in the famed "cat room" Did this once trying to zone into the warrens before I bought that particular expansion...Smiley: lol
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Actually Yther, Sippin is remembering right.

I also used to have EQ Zone Viewer, and used it to learn how to get through Siren's Grotto and Chardok. This was while I was working on my 1.5 epic (OoW) on my ranger, so I know for sure it was before the tutorial.

Maybe the original developer quit the original project and someone else picked it up and updated it to use the tutorial engine, and changed the name a little bit? I don't know. What I do know, though, is that this kind of program is no longer around. =-(
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EZE.exe = EQ Zone Explorer. I wasn't aware of anything that worked past the Tutorial change (Not long after PoP, definitely prior to OoW).

Maybe someone expanded on it to make the Zone Viewer (and probably did since EZE came with source code, by including the original Tutorial.exe probably renamed to something else to avoid the Patcher deleting it). Because they sound very similar; No server side anything (doors, mobs, etc.). Although EZE included the 3 or 4 Tutorial mobs, if the zone allowed a space for them (always the same coordinates).

It's hard to say for sure, as there used to be tons of apps directed at EQ. Looking through an old cd circa 2001-2, I found at least a dozen apps. I miss one of them alot; EQ Server Check, which gave continuous updates on server status, and even population.

EDIT: Different spellings, reminded me of Gods names are mostly re-arrangements of letters for real words, like Tunare for nature, E`ci for ice, etc. I don't remember the others atm, but most others are re-arrangements or deformations of words, like the earlier post about NPC names. Speaking of NPC names, there's a Bryan in East Karana and a Bryan McGee in Highpass Hold, and I was disappointed to find an Ytheri Coldtouch in Nektulos in EQ2. There's some more common names in EQ, but I don't remember any other than several Johns in The Buried Sea.

Yther Ore.

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I leveled to 50 on guards and Bards.

The main reason guards and Bards were so popular was because they could be single pulled thus soloed. All "regular" places to level to 50 like Sol B and Lower Guk were suicide if you tried to solo.

The Antonican Bard NPCs that were quite popular "non-monsters" to kill for XP for soloers include the cleverly named Vhalen Nostrolo in South Karana.
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I used to level on guards as well. Easy to quad-kite dorf guards in Butcherblock Mountains. Always felt bad about it since halflings shouldn't be on bad terms with dorfs. But I'd rationalize it that there were no evil guards of appropriate level to earn XP nor placed appropriately for quadding. Druids get quad spells so gotta use them... right? :)

Using EQ Zone Viewer, whatever the name, was indeed a god-send for learning zones like Kedge. It was hard enough to convince a group to go INTO Kedge to kill the druid epic tainted mob. But the chances were NIL if you couldn't lead them to the spot confidently and safely. Remember those were the days that if you died deep inside a zone like Kedge you were in for a whole lot of hurting, inconvenience and loss of time trying to recover your corpse and gear.

But let's not derail this thread!

Did you know that Veksar was originally supposed to be added with the Kunark expansion? Evidently the developers had so much trouble putting this zone together they set it aside and did not activate it with Kunark. It didn't go "live" till years later and IIRC correctly it went live all by itself as part of a game patch, not as part of a future expansion.

BTW, people still do "pick up raids" on some servers, which is a great thing. Have to give kudos to anyone who's got the drive, motivation and leadership skill to run a raid of random players, for sure!

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There are 2 Frogloks hanging out in the sewers of Qeynos...Smiley: sly
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EZE.exe = EQ Zone Explorer. I wasn't aware of anything that worked past the Tutorial change (Not long after PoP, definitely prior to OoW).

Maybe someone expanded on it to make the Zone Viewer (and probably did since EZE came with source code, by including the original Tutorial.exe probably renamed to something else to avoid the Patcher deleting it). Because they sound very similar; No server side anything (doors, mobs, etc.). Although EZE included the 3 or 4 Tutorial mobs, if the zone allowed a space for them (always the same coordinates).


Edited, Mar 30th 2012 2:34am by Yther


EZE was pretty short lived. EQ zone viewer definitely existed, definitely STILL exists and actually still works.

http://www.eqclassic.de/wiki/EverQuest_Zone_Viewer

It dont have all the zones but it still works. It dont put you in the game like EZE did but it will still give you the same idea.

For those that dont know EZE worked off the tutorial which was a single player back then and just substituted the tut for other zones. It put you in the offline tutorial so you where actually "in the game" just not connected to live, the zone just wasnt populated by mobs or players. EQ zone viewer is a standalone program that lets you view zones by reading the zone files.

EDIT: Just found out you can manually load a zone through EQ Zone Viewer so it should work with all zones.

EDIT 2: The old tutorial zone is still there in the EQ folder!!

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For a while after the release of Kunark, there was a froglok cycle in The Swamp of No Hope that the "named" would drop a diamond as his loot. It doesn't mean much today, but when you had a level 15'ish mob dropping a gem worth 180pp, it was huge back then. I made a small fortune (by Kunark standards) on that with my druid.

At one of the expansion releases, I think it iwas Kunark, forage got messed up. If your forage was high enough to forage the "rares" from the zone, the loot table was messed up and you have a chance to loot something from a person's inventory that was also in the zone.

Mobs have a finite amount of mana. Back in Kunark it was common for a bard to kite and mana drain Gorenaire while the rest of the raid go ready. Gorenaire was a wuss wihtout mana.

Mobs that could debuff used to dispell the first X buffs that you had on you. It was very common to have some clickies that you could quickly reclaim those spots so you didn't lose the important buffs later on.

At least through Velious, there wasn't a raid feature or raid channel. In the Temple of Veeshan, it was common for one raid to use /shout and nother raid to use /ooc. You could turn off the other channel so you don't get their spam. Old raids were a collection of groups. You wanted to be in the KS group. This group would routinely get a bulk of the kills on a raid and could actually make experience.

The loot lock-out on mobs was because of loot stealers. On old raids, anyone could come up and loot the mob immediately. In the open zones, it was common to have a lurker that would try to steal the loot. The raid would normally have someone stay in looting mode on the corpse to "lock it out" from the lurkers.

Kunark introduced several "one-way" dungeons. These tended to have a cliff drop off to prevent you from leaving easily. As a melee, you hoped there was a teleporter in your group or you had to run out of the dungeon the long way.

Kunark also started the trend of having long areas before the zone line. In the original EQ, people would routinely camp right at the zone line so you knew safety was a step or two away. Kunark (except Karnor's) put the mobs far away from the actual zone line so camping right there wasn't as feasible.

Gates of Discord was originally tuned for a level increase to 70, but it never was implemented. GoD is commonly considered the downfall of EQ. It didn't help that WoW was released at the same time. Players that sought refuge elsewhere since GoD was hard finally had a decent game to keep their attention. As an end game raider, I really enjoyed the difficulty. It was about the only time in EQ that people from competing guilds would group together to knock out the various tasks.

At one point (if given consent), you could loot someone else's corpse. On a corpse recovery, it was common for someone to allow someone to take all of their coin as payment but leave all of the items.

When Fay-mart and the EC tunnel were the trading hotspots, you gain a great reputation as someone that would honorable enough to hold loot transfers without taking anything. My warrior had that reputation. Word of mouth spread too because I would get random tells from people asking if I could hold stuff. People would give up serious coin as payment. Heck, I just liked drooling over all of the cool stuff that I knew I would never see (at that point).

Following zone walls was how many people travelled across many of the open zones in the original, Kunark. and Velious. Mobs didn't path that high, and you'd eventually find the zone line.
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