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little more than that, really, but in the end, the effect is the same. a 30% dodge bonus is like a .05% avoidance bonus

AC, as displayed in your window, has two factors to it: damage reduction and damage avoidence. Avoidance increases your damage avoidence rate, and, hence, your AC (since its based off, in part, your avoidence).



Increases chance to proc.

Some procs have inniate chances as low as 60-ish.. its possible to get Combat Effects to about +100, I believe is the cap. To these effects, 160/60 = ~2.67, so that's over one and a half times more likely to proc on them. Others have proc rates as high as 400.. 500/400 = 1.25, so only 25% better chance to proc.



Yup. (Capped at 35%, I believe.)

Edit: Corrected a grammar mistake.

Edited, Sat Apr 1 22:22:34 2006 by ReofblMobile

Dex does affect your chance to hit.

Dex also affects:
-Chance to proc
-Bow damage
-Chance to suceed on many combines/skills

I respect the fellow who said it doesn't's opinion and input on things, but I'd be deeply surprised if I was wrong about chance to hit.

It may also affect more things.. not recalling any others at the moment.

Your chance to hit is based on your attack, your melee skills, the mobs defensive skills, and if you are attacking from the front, or the back. It's not based on your dexterity.

bleah! 15 accuracy equals 1 percent increase in dps. I shouldn't post this early in the morning, from work.

And dexterity affects chances to get critical hits, also. Not sure if it works the same way with the finger wigglers, if it increases chance to get criticals on direct damage spells, too.

not sure if this was addressed or not, already...but if you have a weapon that has multiple procs, only one of those will proc on any given round of attack. The game makes a roll on one proc, if it fails, it rolls for the next proc. If any roll succeeds, then the game quits checking for procs, on that round of attack. Multiple procs does increase your chance for A proc to happen in a round of attacks.

Edited, Sun Apr 2 01:37:24 2006 by Wiestrum

Edited, Sun Apr 2 01:42:37 2006 by Wiestrum

Edited, Sun Apr 2 01:44:18 2006 by Wiestrum

I've another Rogue-based question: can you skill up backstab from the front?

Edit: I know it performs an extra attack from the front, that's why I'm asking.

Edited, Sun Apr 2 18:08:56 2006 by Brudish

didn't a dev confirm that dex doesn't effect caster crits? although I'm not really sure, I dont really do casters much.


they are so close to useless that I, along with most other highend tanks I know come close disregarding them in item choice.


yeah, you're wrong. it may effect bow damage, I'm not really sure.

it doesn't effect melee accuracy. at all.

it has an absolutely minimal effect on chance to proc.

attack rating, except that derived from strength, generally doesn't increase your damage. it just moves your damage to the higher end of the potential curve.

Alright, so I've been toying with my rogue for a bit and I've got another question: does pick pocket cause any great deal of aggro? My evade hotkey is set up like this:

1: /attack off
2: /doab 4 (pick pocket), /pause 5
3: /doab 2 (hide)
4: /attack on

Then again, I hide after I pick pocket so I would still be getting moved down.

Regardless, does pick pocket affect my aggro a great deal?

Edit: Eeeeexcellent.

Edited, Tue Apr 4 13:16:59 2006 by Brudish

I didnt read every single post but here are my thoughts:

-I think that 100 AGI increase your mitigation by 1%. It is probably different in different ranges, ie diminishing returns.

-Your BS damage is proportional to the damage of your peircer.

-as your damage bonus grows with your level you will want a weapon that is fast with a reasonable ratio, because the bonus will have a bigger effect on the overall ratio. You could look at the bonus table and calculate the ratio with the bonus to be sure of a close comparison. In your off hand the ratio is king though.



Edited, Tue Apr 4 13:26:14 2006 by zodon

50 Rogue here, I have most of my skills capped (pre-50).

Evasion.
Good to practice not only to lose aggro but to keep yourself down the aggro list. I have hotbuttoned:
/attack off
/doability (# for hide)
/attack on

I use this after any type of high-output damage like a Backstab or weapons proc to keep aggro down. It will usually cause you to lose aggro if you have it, so hopefully the tank is next on the list and not a squishy caster!

People *say* rogues cannot solo but I disagree and would even go so far as to say it is a must to fight things from the front from time to time. Sure it is not easy, but the higher the defensive skills you have the better. Not known for off-tanking but rogues can be effective in stealing aggro from casters, and will better equipped to take the damage with defensive skills maxxed.

Work your skullduggery. I have that pick-pocket macro and I used it extensively to get skill to 200.

If you can get a weapon with a backstab mod, it does not matter which slot you put it, you will still get the mod (and as long as primary IS a peircer hehe otherwise 0 BS!)

1) I would disagree with Sir Groogle on the PP aggro. PP can affect your aggro when you fail, which could be quite often or even every time if the mob is higher in level. When you fail there is a good chance of getting a signinficant aggro ramp boost, though the aggro is not a certainty. Over a long fight it could be a noticible change.

2) I would seprate my evade and PP into seperate macros, and do not use the pp that often. The reason being is that the extra long stoppage in attacking from the sample macro will cost you more dps than needed since the PP timer is much longer than the hide/evade timer. You might also want to keep the above macro and make an evade only macro and use the evade one primarily and the PP/Evade occasionaly to get you PP up. I am also not sure the pause is needed.




Sorry, no. Evade is a rogue only ability.

Edited, Tue Apr 4 15:25:24 2006 by fhrugby

Well, since I hide after the PP, and it's rare that the PP will get me aggro, and I'm more likely to successfully evade than I am of getting aggro from PP, I think it's fine where it is.

Also, the time it takes is not long, it's about a second from my last melee round to it being turned back on. The /pause 5 only means half a second and it's just to make sure there's time for hide to activate (because sometimes when abilities are activated too close together it says "You cannot use this ability now") and also so that attack is getting turned back on.

Edit: Also, PP and hide/evade all have the same timer as backstab. They're all 6 seconds (I think). I'm certain they're the same duration though. (I don't mean that when you pp/hide you can't backstab when I say same timer).

Edited, Tue Apr 4 16:03:14 2006 by Brudish

Edited, Wed Apr 5 15:27:29 2006 by Brudish