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#1 Nov 10 2005 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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This message is not aimed at anyone (well maybe to those I saw trading in bazaar) but I really had to get this of my chest.

A couple of my noobie guild members kept telling me it was impossible to do the pumpkiny quests as the scarecrows were always camped by lvl 60s+ for farming. So I decided to send the youngest member of my family to WK and see if she would get a chance at collecting 5 pieces of pumpkin.
Over the last week spending there approx 1.5 hrs a day trying to get some pieces I managed to get 2 before being run out of the field by the usual lvl 60+. This happened not once, not twice but each darn time I was there. Being outrun by beings on very fast horses and not get a kill in not even by begging.

Today I look at the bazaar and what to I see? Prices which fluctuate between 600PP and 2K PER PUMKING PIECE!!! Not only, the quantities people sell from 1 piece to.. hold on tight.... 200 pieces!!!

So you lot in bazaar with your funky mains, plenty of money seeing you can afford VERY fast horses and your lvl 60s YOU DISGUST ME.

Disgust me that the ridiculous "I am not farming" (but it's taking you 4 hours to get 5 pieces) is all a lie preventing those who are young and in some cases new no chance to ever get this illusion mask because they cannot afford the ridiculous prices you ask for stuff that all should get a chance at.
Because your greed is such that you take away the fun of those who cannot afford your ridiculous prices.

I am contemplating naming and shaming you here in public, but decided I will not lower myself to your gross conduct

I truly hope you feel vey ashamed of yourself and I will email Sony and suggest to them that next time they make all items no drop.
#2 Nov 10 2005 at 4:36 AM Rating: Decent
You said you are a lower level so it's not like you're after the mask for stats. It is an over-hyped toy then.

Everyone and their mom is walking around as a skeleton.

/yawn.

Go get yourself 2 other people and do an Unrest mission for the pumpkin pieces.


#3 Nov 10 2005 at 4:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Nohk no, I'm actually a lvl 65+ myself, and to me the fact was not that I want or need the mask.

What makes me sick is the greed which prevents those who are young, and cannot afford to pay these prices and who keep being pushed aside by farmers, to do this quest.
Sure we all like to make some PP, as they say "pecunia non olat". it's just sad that some cannot share a quest drop.

And thanks for advise, I did not know they dropped in instanced zone too I will tell my guild, get a couple of shrouds out and see they manage to finish theirs.
#4 Nov 10 2005 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
Now i havent done this quest and cant really think of any reason to be in WK. But do these mobs pop in a certain are (camp) or do they pop at random in the zone?

IF they pop at random then hey FIF is the usual rule. IF there is a "camp" then you are clearly being ks'd and should call them out on it. Id call them out in OOC as well as the serverwide general channel adn drag their guild into it as well.

Good luck.
#5 Nov 10 2005 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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They pop in a specific area only known as the Millers field. And yes you could put that it is KS'ing but happens at times.

hehehe I think I better shut up because I might upset people here and I do not wish this, just wanted to air I am disgusted how some will do anything for coin ( but then thats just the same as RL isnt it?)
#6 Nov 10 2005 at 5:10 AM Rating: Decent
I re-read your post, and I see what you were saying.

Best bet is the Unrest mission.

speelng is gud.

Edited, Thu Nov 10 05:21:02 2005 by Nohk
#7 Nov 10 2005 at 7:30 AM Rating: Decent
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hehehe I think I better shut up because I might upset people here and I do not wish this, just wanted to air I am disgusted how some will do anything for coin ( but then thats just the same as RL isnt it?)



... if anyone complains about u venting about being ks'd then they are just as big an asshat as the people ks'ing u. This is pretty much eq rule 101.

$50 bucks someone is going to post some paragraph from some SOE bullsh*t abiut there is no such things as camps watch.
#8 Nov 10 2005 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
I have to laugh at the high level people actually farming items that only sell for a few hundred plat. Is this the best they can do? Give me a break why not leave the lowbies alone or for that matter the people that are actually doing the quest.

I think you should post their names but they would prolly be happy to get attention and not shamed like a normal person would be.

Heads up to spiderling silk farmers when this event is over these guys will be after your camp too lol.
#9 Nov 10 2005 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
It does happen, unfortunately. Keep in mind that there are probably a fair number of people in their 40s or 50s that might consider the mask an upgrade, especially if they solo a lot or are unguilded.

I had my 22 Cleric in Unrest proper 4 nights ago and there were about 4 "higher levels" there as well as half dozen "little folk" like me. Only one actually appeared to be farming, since I saw him in Bazaar later that night selling pumpkin parts. The other 3 wanted the mask. At least in Unrest there are 4 or 5 spots where they pop and a lvl 12 -20 could probably set up shop at one of them. Probably best to do mission. There was a monk there, don't know lvl but was kicking for 150+, just letting the parts rot, he was farming mushrooms apparently since he was /OOCing to buy.

I'd guess the high lvl toons were getting 5 + 5 in about an hour, the seeds being more common.
#10 Nov 11 2005 at 3:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Keep in mind that there are probably a fair number of people in their 40s or 50s that might consider the mask an upgrade, especially if they solo a lot or are unguilded.


Given the stats on the mask at those levels suck, and the obvious difficulty in obtaining the required quest items because of said KS'ers, wouldn't you think its easier to find a nicer upgrade in the bazaar for a lot less hassle?

I'll say it again. People want this mask because it's a toy. Plain and simple.

Same reason AoNs are 400k+ in the bazaar.

#11 Nov 11 2005 at 7:50 AM Rating: Default
Please dont flame everyone in the bazaar selling---and this is why?


For a start I was KSed 100 times trying to get my flesh for mask quest. In the end I sat at entrance and just camped the single spawn that occasioanaly dropped flesh--Basically took me a whole day.

Then I went to the bazaar and saw how much the flesh was selling for--up to 4k per piece on my server. I thought--what would I prefer the mask or 20K.??????

When I was lvl 60 I was in a group with some real Pricks. Raydeant a 64 Necro and Myrlen a 65 Mage. They nuked the crap out of everything and surprise surprise I couldnt hold aggro. They were brutal to me..an untwinked Warrior who has only recently started a trader and the Wizard even sent me a translocation---to get the XXXX out of his group. I havent tried tanking since except with friends or guildies and will not subject my self to that abuse again.

I need a Blade of Carnage like ALL the other tanks and they sell for 150K. I am useless until I upgrade because of theplat buyers and ebayers who ruin the game. I sold to take advantage of those ppl who have destroyed the game with their 3million plat. The ppl who paid 2900 plat for the pumpkin flesh are probably online plat buyers . I have no remorse because this game BRUTAL to ppl who are not twinked and just starting up. I enjoy being a warrior and I really want to be able to tank again.

#12 Nov 11 2005 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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what would I prefer the mask or 20K.??????

So Don't flame because you're doing it to?

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The ppl who paid 2900 plat for the pumpkin flesh are probably online plat buyers

So keep giving them a reason to buy plat...

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Raydeant a 64 Necro and Myrlen a 65 Mage. They nuked the crap out of everything

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I need a Blade of Carnage like ALL the other tanks

BoC won't help in this type of situation...
#13 Nov 11 2005 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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Do everything but the part needing the pumkin flesh, the prices are already starting to fall as people with 200+ of this item realize that the demand does not exist for all their camping work. By Monday the pumkin flesh should be going for 5 pp each.
#14 Nov 11 2005 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
ok, I see both sides of the story (and have been on both) here but whether you are condeming or defending either position, Reality still prevails. There is an economy in this game and we all have to live with it.

Look at RL for example....Gas prices Soared and EVERYONE ************** that didnt change the price now did it? Smiley: oyvey

Btw, not everyone who has some plat in the Bank and has some decent gear bought plat...you can aquire it yourself through some hard work and maybe a little luck.

Anyways..Im rambling....Guess My point is..."Deal with it, like everyone else has to."

Flame shields on.....
#15 Nov 11 2005 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Nohk wrote:
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Keep in mind that there are probably a fair number of people in their 40s or 50s that might consider the mask an upgrade, especially if they solo a lot or are unguilded.


Given the stats on the mask at those levels suck, and the obvious difficulty in obtaining the required quest items because of said KS'ers, wouldn't you think its easier to find a nicer upgrade in the bazaar for a lot less hassle?

I'll say it again. People want this mask because it's a toy. Plain and simple.

Same reason AoNs are 400k+ in the bazaar.


OK, I can't take it anymore. I thought I would figure this out by myself by now.....but what the hell does AoN stand for? And why is it going for 400k? There's too many acronyms in this game Smiley: grin
#16 Nov 11 2005 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Amulet of Necropotence. Drops in Plane of Fear off Cazic Thule and I think the golems, but don't quote me.

It's some necromancer neck piece but any class can click it from inventory. Clicky effect is Illusion: Skeleton. It does have some use as a shrinking device for large races (especially tanks) but with the tinkered shrinking devices, potions, projected illusions, etc it's pretty much an overpriced toy.

The stats on the Bone Horror mask are pretty close to the stats on the mask from the Stonebrunt MM, less the illusion, of course. Given how often I use the many illusion masks between my rogue and bard, I think I can live without three days of skeleton form before the novelty wears off.

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#17 Nov 11 2005 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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$50 bucks someone is going to post some paragraph from some SOE bullsh*t abiut there is no such things as camps watch.


You did it for us.

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A couple of my noobie guild members kept telling me it was impossible to do the pumpkiny quests as the scarecrows were always camped by lvl 60s+ for farming. So I decided to send the youngest member of my family to WK and see if she would get a chance at collecting 5 pieces of pumpkin.
Over the last week spending there approx 1.5 hrs a day trying to get some pieces I managed to get 2 before being run out of the field by the usual lvl 60+.


It must be server specific...or even play-time specific. I didn't care for the mask myself, but I have helped friends do their quests and not spent anywhere near that amount of time.


As far as the pieces being sold in the bazaar or in ooc, that is all part of the economy.

Just like any economy those peeps took a gamble, invested their time in farming something in order to turn a profit, the price in the bazaar only reflects what peeps are paying for the items.

Nothing wrong with that.

There are enough places the scarecrows drop the parts that anyone can get them.

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This happened not once, not twice but each darn time I was there. Being outrun by beings on very fast horses and not get a kill in not even by begging.



You too can have a very fast horse if you:

1. spend a few hours a day for a week in Rathe killing giants.
2. buy low/sell high in the bazaar for a month or so.
3. trade skill the most recent popular items for resell in the bazaar.
4. any variation or combination of the above.
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#18 Nov 11 2005 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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The AoN is so expensive for 2 reasons:

1. It has been nurfed and no longer drops. The AoN that is so expensive does not have to be equipped and is an instant cast.

2. The instant cast skele illusion has some benefit to PvP. How or what the benefit is I am unsure of nor do I care.

As far as people saying that higher lvls farming the pumpkin stuff is pathetic because their are other places they can go to make better PP, I ask where? Where the hell can higher lvls go to make 20K+ in an hour? I have searched everywhere I can think of to farm for decent plat and item drops. So if their is a way to make 20K+ an hour please tell me where.

I will openly admit I spent a few hours farming the stuff but I wasn't farming for myself. I was farming for a few guildies who said they couldn't get the drops because the zones were to crowded. In the few hours I was there I recieved at least 7 tells from people willing to pay 1K for the drops so I understand why people are doing it. As long as people are willing to pay 2K+ a drop then people are going to farm it.

What I will agree with you about is that it is unfair to the people who are trying to do the quest and aren't willing to pay for the drops.

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$50 bucks someone is going to post some paragraph from some SOE bullsh*t abiut there is no such things as camps watch.


I guess your right because I am going to say it right now. SOE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE CAMPS and be glad they don't because if they did I can tell you exactly what would happen. One of the plat sellers who have 5 people using 1 toon would permacamp every scarecrow in the game and nobody would have a chance. Not to mention the fact that only 1 person would be selling the stuff so prices would be a hell of a lot higher than 2K a piece, so think about that for a minute.
#19 Nov 11 2005 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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1. It has been nurfed and no longer drops. The AoN that is so expensive does not have to be equipped and is an instant cast.
huh?
#20 Nov 11 2005 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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1. It has been nurfed and no longer drops. The AoN that is so expensive does not have to be equipped and is an instant cast.


huh?


The AoN that now drops is not instant cast and it has to be equipped.
#21 Nov 11 2005 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
There is plenty on content in this game thank god. I did the candy deal, the vampire thing, and the God MM. then spent two beautiful day in the hole by myself not a soul in site.
#22 Nov 11 2005 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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They really should have made the pumpkin drops NO-Trade to prevent this. They should have known greed would set in and people would farm the crap out of this.

And its not always easy trying to get a group together for the unrest mission. Some Classes (IE my monk) can not solo the unrest mission mobs, and with no CC it can become a mess easy and no way to zone out (for the non FDers of course).

This is the reason I have not finished the halloween quest though.
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#23 Nov 11 2005 at 2:41 PM Rating: Default
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The AoN is so expensive for 2 reasons:


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It has been expensive for years.

#24 Nov 11 2005 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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#25 Nov 11 2005 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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They really should have made the pumpkin drops NO-Trade to prevent this.


That's a good idea. I agree with the sentiment. However, they did not do that, so in the current situation, there is no fair way to stop people from farming.

Conversely, those farmers can't claim to be "camping" the spawn points. They are random yard trash spawns. You can't camp an event. 90% of the time I'm happy to respect camps, as part of EQ ettiquette, but when a limited time event comes along, I'm sorry, but it's first in force, just like the rules say. I won't hit a mob already agroed on someone, or already damaged, but otherwise, it's fair game.

Among those camping out for the scarecrows on CT, on the night I did this, this was the general concensus as well. There were some very fair-minded people out there. I actually had a higher level caster apologize for KS'ing me. (Something which he wasn't guilty of. We went for the same mob, and he hit it while I was still casting. I ducked out of my spell. No biggie. - He even tried to give me the pumpkin seeds from it, lol.)

Another good idea would have been to make the pumpkin flesh or seeds a mandatory drop. It seemed like every other scarecrow I killed dropped nothing. Compound that by the fact that scarecrows are already sparse, and you get the current very grounded complaints that people are having.

However, anyone with two friends could have farmed them in peace, away from others, by grabing an instanced zone. I feel for folks who mainly solo, but the soloer has never been guaranteed anything in this game. Also, as for not being able to solo the unrest mission mobs, have you tried shrouding down? It gives you use of a PoK gate, and at lower levels it's much easier to defeat higher con monsters.

The OP's comment about multiple guildies complaining - Why aren't they doing instanced unrests to get the drops they need? Hell, make it a guild thing. Just keep doing instanced unrests untill everybody's got the fleshies or seeds they need.

Oh well. All in all, I've really enjoyed the halloween event this year, even with it's logistical problems.

Good luck all.


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#26 Nov 13 2005 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent
AoN : 1)Instant shrink. 2) Instant stop on a mount (for all you casters out there) 3)Makes you harder to target in pvp. 4)Is a raid drop. 5) Looks kewl Smiley: smile
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