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#1 Oct 15 2005 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey yal im just wondering how a berserker lines up with rogues and monks of equal level/equip/AA now... Last I had heard (when i quit a year or so ago) they sucked royally. Now im doing the lil Escape to Norrath thing and honestly thinking about coming back to eq as a berserker.
#2 Oct 15 2005 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
there just under rogues but suck till they get good gear and a good amount of AAs ..i would suggest going rogue cuz it would be easyer but if u want to be diffrent and are wiling to really push it go berzercker there good but just need time to get good..
#3 Oct 15 2005 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
Last I heard was that The Top Berserker was out dps'ing the top rogue, but I don't have parses to prove it.
#4 Oct 15 2005 at 8:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I was always under the impressions Berserkers did good DPS but not as good as the other DPS classes. However of the chain classes they was supposed to be the closest to a tank? I know I have done Creator Mission with the Berserker as a tank(they was out tanking a warrior of the same level). Obviously the tank had less AA's and gear.
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#5 Oct 15 2005 at 11:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Wiestrum wrote:
Last I heard was that The Top Berserker was out dps'ing the top rogue, but I don't have parses to prove it.

Do you know where I could find a wider forum where people discuss this? ive looked and looked and have given up but to post here where very few are likely to give good info.
#6 Oct 15 2005 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
This is the only Berserker Forums I could find: http://p205.ezboard.com/btheberserker

No idea if it will help - but might be a place to start.

edit: nvm now that I look at it - seems to be pretty old.

This one is a bit more current: http://www.eqberserker.com/portal/

Edited, Sun Oct 16 01:05:54 2005 by Netos
#7 Oct 16 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks =)
#8 Oct 16 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you know where I could find a wider forum where people discuss this? ive looked and looked and have given up but to post here where very few are likely to give good info.


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#9 Oct 16 2005 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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more specifiacally:

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20760
#10 Oct 16 2005 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.goberserker.com/forums/index.php?
#11 Oct 17 2005 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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The biggest limitation for zerkers is that they are two handed only. They are really good and fun to play though. I still like my monk better but my zerker is fun and i really love the snare axe. Axe kiting is a whole lot of fun too.
#12 Oct 17 2005 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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It is very much in the air at this point. Some parses saying berserkers are on par with or even out DPSing Rogues. That added with superior damage mitigation, utility, knight HP table, and ability to damage from any angle has many thinking a rebalancing is in the near future to definitivly push Rogues back over the top.
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#13 Oct 17 2005 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
My experience with the Berserker has thus far left me with the impression of a Warrior with less AC but slightly higher DPS (via Frenzy.) At level 61 they get their Volley skill which gives a significant boost in DPS but from there you won't get your next boost until you have 100+ AA's.
#14 Oct 18 2005 at 12:51 AM Rating: Decent
zerkers fall behind rogues in melee DPS(when they are good and very well geared...).....TBH it ALL DEPENDS on gear(gear for zerker=everything)
#15 Oct 18 2005 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
Rogue, Berserker, Monk, in that order for DPS - and only for DPS.
#16 Oct 18 2005 at 12:09 PM Rating: Default
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It is very much in the air at this point. Some parses saying berserkers are on par with or even out DPSing Rogues. That added with superior damage mitigation, utility, knight HP table, and ability to damage from any angle has many thinking a rebalancing is in the near future to definitivly push Rogues back over the top.


I have never ever ever seen any parse that showed that Berserkers mitigate any better than Rogues or Rangers. They're paper tanks - decent HP and good aggro control but no mitigation to speak of. What does it matter anyway, I've never seen a Rogue volunteer to tank, and Rogues can lose their aggro better than a Berserker could ever dream of.

In 3-5 minute or so fights Berserkers might come out on top of equally-geared Rogues for DPS because they have more discs to use, but an equally-geared Rogue with optimal positioning will ALWAYS beat a Berserker in either short burst or sustained DPS.

And utility? Seriously, I would trade my stun (which doesn't work on mobs over level 70) and snare (which almost a full 50% of the classes in EQ get better than we do) for SoS and Evade. That's the entire extent of Berserker utility right there.

I think they're balanced just fine. Equally-geared (and AA'd) Rogues always outdamage Berserkers with optimal positioning (except for the occasional 3-5 min fight, then it's close), but Berserkers win out when the Rogues can't get perfect positioning. Berserkers can tank a little better because they have more HP and aggro generation, but Rogues aren't always the first to go splat after the MT goes down (dead dps = 0).

Edited, Tue Oct 18 13:29:24 2005 by Theophastus
#17 Oct 18 2005 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Monks seem to be getting the shaft :(. I love my monk way more than my zerker and rogues only do more base DPS from behind but that's what they are suppose to do. I guess i'll just have to find a way to live with being the 3rd best. I'm sure not wanting to tank but monks were supposed to be the best dps class with rogues being higer with back stab by a bit and now a 2 hand only class is near both rogues and monks BAH!
#18 Oct 24 2005 at 1:27 AM Rating: Decent
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If main tank is keeping agro, rogue will do more dps than beserker. Since rogue gets dual wield, double attacks,AND backstab; they are going to have 4 or 5 attacks per round. Plus, weapons with shorter delays means rogue gets to attack more often.
#19 Oct 24 2005 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry, but who cares about ratio when the Zerker has a badass twohander to wield.

The guys in my gf's guild (Demi Plane flagged and all) parse all day long, and the list is usually rogues-zerkers-monks.

Of course, it depends on AE rampage, positioning, etc. Some fights are just better suited for certain classes than other fights.
#20 Oct 24 2005 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Plus, weapons with shorter delays means rogue gets to attack more often.

this is so incredibly stupid, it erases any valid points you may have made in your post.
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