I know it's been asked before: TwinkingFollow

Really depends why and how long for. If someone zones and comes straight back then you have a damned nerve taking their camp. If there is a broken spawn and fresh corpses I would cede the camp to the owners of those corpses if they came back quickly.

If someone leaves to sell or get KEI or whatever and comes back 10 minutes later then they lost it plain and simple.

Just zoning isn't enough otherwise camp stealing would be as simple as training the current campers.

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On your main question. Use your own judgement - there is no "right answer". If a good friend offers you a real upgrade and you will upset them by refusing then fine. If a random stranger drops something nice on you (unlikely at 47) then either accept or decline according to how you want to play. What I would not want to see is someone take the item and sell it. That is not only ungracious but also twinking cash instead of items so the principle is broken anyway.

If you get a better feeling of satissfaction knowing you hunted or earned the cash for everything you have then fine, kudos to you.

If on the other hand you just want to remain untwinked so you can sneer at others who may have accepted gifts then think again. Not only will most of them not understand where you are coming from but the motive is tarnished and unworthy.

I don't plan on "snearing" at any twinked players, just wanted to know the overall feeling about this. Wanted to know if most ppl play untwinked.

About camping. I feel that if you zone togoto i.e. Bank, KEI, Friend . You lose your camp, i think it's pretty simple the word CAMP to means you "physically" sitting in area and answering any /ooc Camp checks. If you leave the area you are no longer "camping" you are gone. If i am a high level for the zone and i am trying to get ingredients or regent, i will not camp and area i know to be used for leveling of lower toons, usually give it up no prob.

I don't want to make it sound like i ruin camps or i KS. I never have and don't plan too.

There is nothing wrong with twinking. Powerlevling...Well in some cases that is bad but twinking?

Okay who would you rather have...
A cleric in bronze with like 300mana
or
A cleric twinked with like 800mana at the same level?

Would you rather have...
A warrior with two finesteel longswords
or
A warrior with two 9/19 11/18 weapons or close to it?

I'll choose the twink every single time. The funnist thing about people who whine about twinking is that they never fail to invite my twink into their group or try to get him in their guild. Most people who I see complain about twinking are pissed because they haven't played for long enough to get anything and therefore no one who has should get to use money or items on a new character. They are idiots...

My warrior on rasp...
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=940633

Not one person regrets grouping with him. Sure there is better stuff *he'll have it soon* heh Point is how many people get faster xp because of him? How many people have not died because I was able to taunt and hold agro while taking damage from 3 yellow mobs in group?

Twinking isn't bad...People whining about it is...I can twink because my main and other characters have a ton(heh probably literally) of plat sitting in the bank...It speeds up the xp'ing that I have already done my time without good equipment.

Edited, Fri Mar 5 12:35:50 2004 by JavaJiver

Edited, Fri Mar 5 12:36:10 2004 by JavaJiver

Actually I did say



So we agree on that. However if someone is camping a place and they are forced to zone and return immediately then I don't consider the camp open. To consider otherwise invites griefing. Eg train a bunch of aggro mobs on them and force them to zone. Quick /ooc "CC plz" and it's yours. Is that what you mean?

The key to me would be if the spawn was unbroken. Then they are obviously not there. If you come to a camp and all or half the mobs are not there then it is a sure bet that someone has very recently been killing them. I'd want to be sure they had gone.

As for the "SoE says there are no camps" this is the anthem of camp-stealers all over EQ. Yes there are no official camps. But there is courtesy and respect between players.

I'm not saying leave them on the side. I'm saying if you had the choice between equal leveled characters looking for group unless you were friends with the lesser equipped you aren't picking him...
ALSO I have a level 65 Rogue(which I've played for oh...uh...since day 1) on Tunare...So I know what to do "at my level" and mana amounts can vary greatly if the person knows what gear to get.

Gear makes a huge difference ESPECIALLY at lower levels...

Take Twinked Cleric...
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=947479

Vs.

Untwinked Cleric
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=956575

At level one...
So there is only a 700+ mana difference

At 35
Twinked
2345Mana(heh...it goes in order!)
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=947479
Or 9 Casts of Superior Healing

Vs.

Guy with gear you can get at 35(and I'm being pretty generous)
1489mana
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=956575
Or 5 Casts of Superior Healing

There is a huge difference between twinked and non at this level...I'd rather have a guy with 9 500+ point heals then 5...
Not that I wouldn't group with the Non-Twinked guy as I said...Just stating fact...Twinked People = More damage, More HP, More mana and faster xp(GENERALLY if the people are complete idiots the best gear won't help!)


As for the camp issue...
In my opinion there are only two times a camp is not lost in the absence of the group.
1) Group had to fight out to get/drop a member
2) Group wiped

Other then that if you aren't there it isn't yours!

Edited, Fri Mar 5 14:43:58 2004 by JavaJiver

A German word.
Has more than just one definition, though...
When someone overreacts - dann "überreagiert er".
But, also when someone is above of something else, he is "über etwas".
More though it means super...

Twinking has limits(Unless you are on FV heh)
Uber is a warrior having a full set of Raex gear...

The only toon I have that was not twinked with a few thousand plat was the first toon I ever played.

Nothing wrong with it IMO.

Bad Twink: A 24 cleric I played with who was going into LDoN for the first time. He claimed he was a Newbie but showed up on a horse. When our Enchanter died he couldn't rez because "when I got there all the rez spells had been sold."



Arrgggggggh!

I see nothing wrong with accepting a gift from someone. To me, that's not twinking, it's getting lucky, or being rewarded for your kindness. I once was playing a Bard when I had first started on Luclin and was still trying to find "my" class. I went around in true Bard form telling stories, and making up stories on the fly for people about topics they chose. I came upon a Dark Elf couple whose emotes suggested they were cuddling and in love, so I made up a little romantic story about the two of them. At the end, the male Dark-Elf (I don't remember his name, it was years ago) gave me a Drakkel Icereaver, a sword which I was able to sell for about 1500pp. That's quite a windfall for someone who has nothing, and it kept me comfortably equipped for quite a while. In my opinion, it was a tip for a performance, so I earned it. Now, twinking to me means giving plat and items to your alts. I always end up twinking my alts because I have no willpower, and because so many others are twinked, the untwinked look awful next to them. I see nothing wrong with twinking except in the case of PvP. Twinking my alts is going to help my groups on blue servers by making me more powerful, but on Rallos it would unbalance me in the extreme. Worries of twinking have kept me from ever even creating a character on Rallos, even though I have played PK MUDs for years. What about the other Zeks, you ask? Coin loot doesn't provide enough excitement or reward for a good kill to me. That opinion seems almost contradictory, but... I'm rambling here, and a bit off topic. My overall point is, accepting gifts from people is nothing to feel badly about. If a young person didn't accept my gift, I'd feel a little hurt. But, like someone said, if I gave a young person a nice new sword and then see "YoungPerson auctions 'Nice New Sword - 1000pp PST!'" I'd be upset. I always tell people I help that the best way to pay back my kindness is to pass along the item to another in need when they find something better, or just repay my kindness to someone else another time. Norrath would be a nicer place if everyone were doing good deeds, right?

What Cobra wants to tell you betwen the lines is this:
-Don't have a philosophy
-If you have one anyway keep it to yourself
-If you insist on sticking to the one you have and share it with others be prepared that your motives will be questioned in a way that makes the inquisition look lame

To me, alot has to do with how your twinking

I for one will twink AC and stats but will not put really good weapons in the hands of my alt. High AC/HP means I might have less down time. Higher stats means increased chance of skill ups..

However using really good weapons is actually detrimental. If your killing mobs in one or two hits your not getting enough chances for you to skill up, and you'll level so fast your growth will be stunted.

This may not matter if your a caster or if you plan on sticking with only one type of weapon.

But if you plan to diversify - slower kills is actually better.

I agree, in a perfect twinking world Chloroplast would make leveling so much easier and pretty much reduce downtime to next to nothing. I, however, would rather not spend my time every 20 minutes (more if extended) looking for some one to cast it on myself. So I would prefer to just have more hit points overall.

This has the added benefit of meaning that after a few battles, it will take more bind wounds attempts for me to get back to at least 50%. More attempts = more chances for skills ups = less worrying about it at higher levels.



What I was referring to was more of a "favorite weapon" twinking.

Here's what I see in what I feel is a bad twinking situation: Player buys a good 1HS weapon for their character (for example centi shortsword). They use that weapon and level pretty quickly. Levels are flying by for them. These "bad twinks" don't ever stop to use any 2HS, 1HB, etc. weapons because they have this really good 1HS weapon that kills mobs fast.

Eventually, when they grow out of it there's two options -
1. Stick with 1HS weapons and miss out possibly on some other really good weapons.
2. Buy the really good weapon thats not 1HS then spend lots of money training that weapon skill at the GM or use that weapon in combat, missing alot due to the current lack of skill.

Now some people really don't want to use other than that one class of weapons they like. But for some people (especially brand new players) they may not realizie what they are doing.

True, casters have a harder time of skill ups, the INT ones in particular because of the lower hit points. For them leveling up quickly with weapons that do a lot of damage will hurt them. They won't get the increases in offense or defense they need, nor will they get the skill ups.

Your skill will be lower, but when you do hit you'll hit for a lot more.



Alteration is easy for a shaman, but I don't really understand how evocation and conjuration are hard to keep up. I have a harder time keeping my Abjuration and Divination up.

Evocation is my cold line of spells, which I use when I'm soloing and rooting/nuking or want the mob dead now.

Conjuration is not only my summon food/water (which I use to practice) but also my poison/disease spells. Again very important for soloing. It also is my pet spells.

But abjuration is only a couple of spells - most of the time in groups I can't even cast them because they don't stack with the spells the players already have from clerics. Divination is my vision spells which I rarely use except for some fun.

But to answer your question, no my skills aren't 100% maxed. Alteration, conjuration, and evocation are. Abjuration is about 25 pts shy, and divination is about halfway there (I've had nothing else to do while fishing).

Leiany you arrogant little cow. Don't put words into my mouth.

What I actually said - and you oh so selectively ignored - starts:-



In other words if remaining untwinked is your philosopy then that is great.

However it will not be generally understood in the EQ of today. I play one of my characters in a permanent group whose "philosophy" is no twinking and no outside help. We do fine and it is good fun. We are frequently approached by well-meaning friends saying "surely it wouldn't hurt to give you x?". It is hard for most people to relate to it.

What I was criticising was the reverse snobbery of some people who have got the strange idea that all twinking is evil and therefore anyone who refuses to do it is somehow "better" than those who do. This is bad motivation if you are getting a feeling of superiority from not twinking because - as I said it is misplaced and will not be understood.

Like Jophiel I dislike the cries of "Twinked Class_01 LFG" and would not invite people who think that is a clever way to get preferrment. Neither would I select someone shouting "Untwinked Class_01 LFG". Your twinkedness or lack of it are not relevant as much as your ability and neither shout indicates an attitude I want to group with.