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#1 Feb 15 2004 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
How about if they give someone that has just started a heads up that they will not be able to use the newest upgrade????

The Berserker SUCKS unless you have millions of Plat to burn and other than that, if your not level 55+ the new zones will kill you just after you zone in.

What a freaking joke this update is...WASTE of money unless you are at lvl 65 and have been bored.

Your thoughts???
#2 Feb 15 2004 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
My thoughts are your an idiot. plain and simple. eqlive.station.sony.com CLEARLY stated as well as when you signed on what type of new zones you would have. and ANY new class sucks to equip without Twinking. Its called Learning and leveling.
#3 Feb 16 2004 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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The back of the box clearly states, and i quote:
"20 new zones include 10 instanced zones and 10 traditional zones. The new combat zone are for characters level 50 and over."
#4 Feb 16 2004 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
The idiot is the person who resorts to personal attacks, I am not an idiot. I raised a point of discussion and didn't intend to be abused by the likes of you. If you don't have a more educated response than your last one, please refrain from responding to my posts.

When you grow up, I will be interested in what you have to say.
#5 Feb 16 2004 at 8:53 AM Rating: Default
I would also like to know how you read the back of the box if you don't get a box and down load it online. EB Games says nothing about the upgrade being 50+ in combat. Still my point is Gates STILL ISN'T WORTH IT FOR NEWER PLAYERS!!! That cannot be disputed. Most newer players are lead down the path that if you don't have ALL the expansions, that the game isn't as fun or that you might miss something "special".
#6 Feb 16 2004 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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EB Games says nothing about the upgrade being 50+ in combat. Still my point is Gates STILL ISN'T WORTH IT FOR NEWER PLAYERS!!! That cannot be disputed. Most newer players are lead down the path that if you don't have ALL the expansions, that the game isn't as fun or that you might miss something "special".



Of course it can be disputed. Since you can reach 50th level in about a week, without even being PL'd, the expansion is worth it for anyone, new or old player, that cares to devote themselves to the game that much.

And I'll support the notion that you are an idiot because EQ's website also clearly states... (http://everquest.station.sony.com/gatesofdiscord/)

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20 new zones, 10 new instanced zones and 10 new traditional zones including a huge ship city zone, complete with merchants, tradesman, and quest-givers, where you can gather your party and launch expeditions. The new combat zones are for characters level 50 and over.



So apparently you didn't make any attempt to find out anything about the expansion before you bought it, which makes you an idiot. So shut the f'uck up until you can come here with a justifiable complaint.

#7 Feb 16 2004 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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yeah you dont have to be an *** and start calling people an idiot. One guy states an opinion and you can disagree but you dont have to look like a 3 year old doing it. And my personal opinion is that all of EQ is a joke.
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#8 Feb 16 2004 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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How about if they give someone that has just started a heads up that they will not be able to use the newest upgrade????


As others have said, Sony clearly stated all the info. on GoD on their website. You obviously did not take the time to look at it and just bought the expansion blindly.
Who's fault is that?
#9 Feb 16 2004 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
My take on is this:

I knew way ahead of time that Gates was going to be more of a 60-65+ (the + meaning tons of AA's for those who may assume that I believe there are levels higher than 65). In fact, it's more of a 65+ game than anything else. I also knew that the Berserker Class is not going to be worth it for me to bother starting, because class balancing is going to break, fix and re-break the class, and I don't want to deal with the stress. I have several characters in the 50-60 range, and GoD isn't worth it for me because it's more geared towards elemental/time planes guilds and groups. There are new AA's ...

I knew this ahead of time ... you know how? Because I bothered making half an effort to find out before I sink more money into another SoE product.

Just because it's for sale doesn't mean you have to reach for the wallet.
#10 Feb 16 2004 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
Obviously there are some good points of view and others that resort to name calling. Being called in idiot by two people for wanting to start a thread is pathetic. I will no longer post here due to all the children that feel that they need to call names. So I made the mistake of listening to people in game instead of looking up EVERYTHING there was to know about the expansion, that is on me. But I really appreciate name calling children for running off someone who might have a different point of view.

BYE!!!
#11 Feb 16 2004 at 9:58 AM Rating: Default
Your a big JOKE!!!!!
#12 Feb 16 2004 at 9:59 AM Rating: Default
Your theon crying about name calling. You gonna tell your mommy?
#13 Feb 16 2004 at 10:06 AM Rating: Default
being called names u have to deal with even people that hate being called names call people names in eq ever since soe took ever quest over theres been alot of fighting going on all i have to say is welcome to everquest all u can do is injoy the game to its best.


ps.... if u here about any thing soe releases for eq all ways check it cause soe might be given ya a big ***** job if u dont check just my 2 cents. /puts flame sheild up and weilds flame sword
#14 Feb 16 2004 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
Still haven't bought it and have no intention to buy it at this point.
#15 Feb 16 2004 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
lol some things i see in the zones or here about is pretty storng and needs peeps with very good gear and aas
#16 Feb 16 2004 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
Jarlo -
I agree with you at this point. I would say though, that since the level cap will probably be going up with the next expansion, it will be a good one to get for a lot of people in the near future. The reason is that near EP quality gear will be a little easier to get than flagging for EPs. If you have little hope of joining an ele guild, it will make it a little easier to prepare for that. I have not seen anyone linking much high end gear from GoD yet, but the fiew that I have tend to support this. Mostly though, it is speculative.
#17 Feb 16 2004 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
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The thing that made me kinda peeved at sony was that they said the expansion was 50+. there is no way in heck this expansion is 50+ it's more like 63+ at least and then well equipped. So I think it was misleading to advertise that it was a 50+ expansion. There's really nothing that a level 50 player can use here. The tribute system would be too expensive for somone of that level to use effectively and the zones would get them nearly instantly killed.
#18 Feb 17 2004 at 3:52 AM Rating: Good
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My 53 Druid solos in Natimbi. She has average gear and manapool and uses (as she always has ) self buffs with the exception of KEI. It reminds me of UP

This expansion is not for the player who followed the Kunark Express right into PoJ. It is not easy. It is not for the player that was PL'ed by their buddies through 50 levels. You have to be very smart on how you play. You better know your capabilities and your class-and so should the people with you. You better be prepared to drop the Planes mode of sit in one spot and pull random_mob_1,000,000 which never resists anything.

If you think you can just roll in there and have it be DL or PoJ v. 2.0 you are in for a rather unpleasant surprise.
#19 Feb 17 2004 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can see where the frustration comes in - when they introduce a new class they typically also introduce a new starting area. This time they just allowed existing races to be the new class.

I started a new zerker, like a gazillion other people, just to see what the class is about. It's fun, not going to become my main or anything but I was surprised at how powerful she is even untwinked. Yes, she's pure melee and so will be group dependent; but she puts out some pretty decent dps and has an innate range attack. What's to not like?

I *really* like the GoD zones, just because they are challenging. Someone said it's for bored elemental guilds, and I think that's not far from the truth. Checked out Koztad for a little while yesterday, and the progression trials there are going to be a pain just to get into. I dread dying in them. Dreading dying is part of the game, and a part that's been missing for a year now.
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#20 Feb 17 2004 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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Natimbi has a bestiary starting in the low-mid 40's. Is it possible for a good but untwinked group low 50's to hunt there? We have slow and good dps and healing.

From the bestiary it would seem perfectly possible but with all the "must be Ele/Time geared" stuff it makes you wonder.


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#21 Feb 17 2004 at 3:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Cobra101 wrote:
Natimbi has a bestiary starting in the low-mid 40's. Is it possible for a good but untwinked group low 50's to hunt there? We have slow and good dps and healing.


Yes. A 50's group should be able to hunt in Natimbi without too much trouble. As long as they know which mobs to avoid, and manage to avoid getting smacked by some kiting druid. (hehe. Gotta give the druids a hard time ya know...).

I would avoid melee with the noc deathlurch thingies, but other then that, most of the stuff is quite meleeable.

These are not PoP mobs by any means. They don't hit as hard. They also seem to drop *much* faster (then what I'm used to anyway). A group of 50s should easily be able to handle the mobs right along the beach area, and should be able to *cautiously* explore the area and find other hunting grounds as well.

It's definately appropriate for them to say it's a 50+ expansion. In the same way they said that Velious was a 35+ expansion. I don't see how anyone was surprised by this (refering to the OP). I'm not going to call you an idiot, but honestly... Did you read the numerous patch messages? All the messages that mentioned pre-ordering (which I assume you did if you don't have a box), said the same info that's on the box (that it's a 50+ expansion). You had to have simply not bothered to read information that was placed directly in front of you to not have been aware of that prior to buying it. I kinda can't agree with your complaint then...
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#22 Feb 17 2004 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
I have to agree with the majority of the people in this thread. Berzerkers look to me more powerful than other classes, especially in a group setting. They probably solo better than other pure melee's too.

It was plastered everywhere, on the constant pre-download advertisements when logging in, the websites, everywhere, that this was an expansion to the high end game. The tradeskills even appear to be high end only type stuff (most things have a component you have to loot from the new zones anyway). The tribute system is a little boon, the lower players receive on a percentage of how close they are to the high end game, about the same as low end. Heck, you can get several hours of vengeance in the low end of the game for turning in a bunch of velium weapons dropped off ry'gor. I still don't own anything with vengeance after playing 3 years (as a casual player). This is the first time I've ever had that effect. (Vengeance 8... and more haste, and 150hp...) At the lower levels Vengeance 1 and an extra 50hp is about as easy to get.

As for a level 50ish group doing GoD, easily. Build a 6 person group up, even in the high 40s, and you can take them on. Heck, a level 46 warrior with Virtue on has like 3khp (right?) and should be able to handle tanking those things. There is a risk of dying, but heck, that should be in a game to make it fun. If there's no challenge (like LDoN is starting to get like) there isn't all that much fun. There should be a risk in what you're doing. Maybe your post didn't explain well, but it came off as sounding like you wanted the berzerked to be the next god class so you could walk over things and march into the new zones and dominate them like all the old world weak zones.

They advertised the expansion as a high level one, and someday when you've experienced all the old world content, you'll be glad you have GoD to move on to.
#23 Feb 17 2004 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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While it's true that low levels will not be able to fight in the new zones, I don't think that makes Gates totally worthless for lower players.

One advantage I see right now for lower levels is economical. Natimbi is a relatively safe area right by the Magus, and a great fishing spot. NPC's pay decent plat for the crabs and tuna that can be fished in relative safety right next to them. i've actually used mose of my fishing catches for tradeskills, but did check to see how much the NPCs would pay, and was surprised to see that the NPC was offering 3 or 4 plat for some of the bigger catches. I imagine it wouldn't be impossible for someone to make a few hundred plat in an hour just fishing.

There's also a no-combat zone that is awesome for tradeskills and tradeskill supplies. It's a bit time consuming to get to, and a bit confusing in layout, but it seems to have about everything you need to work on any tradeskill you wish.

And yes, there's the new class. Personally I think the berserker is pretty fun to play, and my lowbie characters have already enjoyed the company of a few berserkers. True, they will never be essential to a group, but they are good DPS, decent pullers, and can even tank a bit (at least in the 20-ish range)
#24 Feb 17 2004 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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There's also a no-combat zone that is awesome for tradeskills and tradeskill supplies. It's a bit time consuming to get to, and a bit confusing in layout, but it seems to have about everything you need to work on any tradeskill you wish.



Exactly so, this alone makes the expansion worth having. (Not that any player pl'ed through PC, HHK, and PoJ would have a clue about the value of tradeskills.)
#25 Feb 17 2004 at 10:03 PM Rating: Decent
Yes, you must be playing another game. The berserker class is very nice and fun to play. DPS might not be that good at the newbie levels but I can see a lot of potential.

I love it.. I started a Barb Berserker and now I am in Runeye wow, a lot of fun. So, you must have a need to Uber too fast. But that's okay too.. everyone plays their own game. That is why EQ is so popular and the dreaded 1017's keep popping up.
#26 Feb 18 2004 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Rucker,

Firstly, as many stated all you had to do was check out the Everquest page, it has all the details. Anytime there is a new expansion, that's what anyone should do if they are thinking of buying it.

Berserkers seem to have as much potential as any other class and so far I'm hearing a number of people saying they like it. EVERY class sucks if you're starting as a newbie and have no gear. Almost all of us go through it, heck I started when EQ was first released and was struggling to finish a set of BANDED MAIL for Ranger at level FOURTEEN!! Most newbies wouldn't touch Banded at level ONE!

Lastly, just about every expansion has something for everyone. Except maybe SoV which was really made for lvl 30+ and didn't offer anything to those of lower levels. PoP while all the real fight zones were 45+ gave even level 1 newbie the PoK which is AWESOME for getting around. Either way, the best way to NOT get burned is to get all the fact BEFORE you buy something. Unfortunately we all get burned and while it sucks, sometime it's the best learning experience. As my Grandfather told me, Don't make the same mistake twice, instead, make a new one!

Editting this to add one good point:

GoD adds GROUP LEADERSHIP tools! From what I can see you can use these at any level and are a cool eddition to the game, just my 2 cp's.


Edited, Sat Feb 21 00:22:40 2004 by KerikDaven
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