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Another monk nerf?? I'm glad I quit mine. :)

very little played but im am overjoyed by the new pacify ability added with GoD, havent heard about the nerf yet though =(.

Well you have to understand the fact that monks used to be a very cool class to play. Powerful attacks and great defense.

That went away. Recently, monks were found using Copper Hammers and Delightful orbs (in a monks hands, those are deadly). Look out! We are upping the proc to 55th level min. So what proc'd for my 50th (grabing a number) level now is useless until 55. That hurts the casual player that can't spend hours getting to 55. I agree that 35 was too low for the proc and I can't tell you what a happy medium would have been.

Seems like when ever there is a nerf, monks are involved. Look at a monk now...what would possibly appeal to me as a new player? Rogues, Rangers and now Berserkers out-damage monks. LDoN removed the monks ability to pull with the need to pacify over feign. Warriors and knights more than out tank a monk. Hell, I was in a adventure just last night where the Chanter was pulling. (Nothing against that but it proves the point.)

It was just a point that if you are going to remove power from a class because you believe it is too powerful, don't go to the extreme. IMO, monks are far underpowered compaired to ALL other melee classes. This ability to pacify is just to give a monk the job of pulling back. To nerf that would be to just eliminate the class.

Edited, Fri Mar 12 16:58:59 2004 by StefinFetchit

You're all forgetting some rather vital things about monk lull... the fact that it isn't nearly as good as the other ones out there, still.

Let's compare the 64 monk Phantom Call to the 62 Enchanter/65 Cleric Pacification.

Phantom:
Endurance: 250 (rather large, considering how few people have +end items compared to +mana)
Frenzy Radius 5/65
Reaction Radius 10/65
Recast Time: 20 seconds
Duration: 3 ticks (18 seconds)
Range: 150 (which is within aggro radius for quite a few mobs)

Paci:
Mana: 350
Frenzy Radius 1/65
Reaction Radius 1/65
Recast Time: 2.25 seconds
Duration: 7 ticks (42 seconds)
Range: 200 (just barely touches on the aggro range of SolRo mobs, though chanters/clerics get to use Extended Range 4 focii)


So basically, the chanter/cleric version can keep 18 mobs pacified at once before the first begins to wear off, while the monk can't even start pacifying a second before the first wears off.

Remind me again why people are whining about the monk ability being overpowered? All it does is give monks back some of what they were MEANT for. Pulling. Pre-Luclin, monks were (situation-dependant, of course) the best pullers out there. These days, and especially in PoP, monks have a rough time pulling in non-raid situations. Any pacify class can run in and pacify the whole room and come back with a single in 10 seconds, where a monk has to FD split them, sometimes waiting a good minute or two before the damn things reset.

You all take it upon yourselves to say monks are whiners. Maybe there's a good reason for it? Imagine if your cleric's heals became obsolete because a wizard could do it better. Imagine if your wizard's nukes became obsolete because an enchanter could nuke better. Imagine if your shaman's slows became obsolete because a rogue could do it better. Then you'd get an idea of what it's like to be a monk where an enchanter, cleric, paladin, ranger AND druid can all pull better than you.

grrrrrrrrrr no comment bards get the nerf bat the worst so stfu everyone else

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