Over the last couple of months I have had some great times with my Iksar warrior Raknruin and also some not so great times. The trouble started around level 20 when I started to do LDoNs. The problem is different people expect different things from a tank and it is often contradictory. Some people expect me to pull while others expect me to assist, some people expect me to have 2 swords, some a sword and sheild, I have even had entry to a group refused because I use a 2 handed weapon. Now I know that a 2 weapon combo would elicit more agro than a 2 hander but the weapon I use has a debuffing proc and the mobs positively HATE me when it goes off. On the whole this post is not a whinge, I want different opinions of what makes the perfect tank. The best race, the best class, the best weapon combo ...etc..etc.
Raknruin.
Edited, Mon Feb 9 17:58:38 2004 by Raknruin
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A good tank holds agro well, a good tank takes damage well.
There is no perfect tank, no perfect weapon combo, no perfect race.
There is no perfect tank, no perfect weapon combo, no perfect race.
No perfect tank. If you can hold the agro and take damage, as Assailant said, you are a good tank.
I have not seen tanks turned away because the use 2h instead os dual wield.
As for pulling or assisting, that is always going to cahnge from group to group. That is a group role issue and not a class issue. Every group should assign roles before entering the adventure. It apys off for all to kow their place in the group. For instance, a Pally may be asked to pull because he can Pacy, but ehn they will want you to take and hold agro after the pull. That is a common scenario.
Having played a tank, I would recommend getting 1hs up and maxing your dual wield skills. it pays to have 1hs, 2hs and Dual all high. Yiou never know when a good weapon is going to drop and you need those skills to be equally usable.
I have not seen tanks turned away because the use 2h instead os dual wield.
As for pulling or assisting, that is always going to cahnge from group to group. That is a group role issue and not a class issue. Every group should assign roles before entering the adventure. It apys off for all to kow their place in the group. For instance, a Pally may be asked to pull because he can Pacy, but ehn they will want you to take and hold agro after the pull. That is a common scenario.
Having played a tank, I would recommend getting 1hs up and maxing your dual wield skills. it pays to have 1hs, 2hs and Dual all high. Yiou never know when a good weapon is going to drop and you need those skills to be equally usable.
The perfect tank is the one who can hold aggro so well that the wizzy can nuke at 99%, the shaman or enchanter can slow at 100%, the cleric can heal at will, the rogue can backstab to his heart's content, and no one but the tank will take damage. Needless to say, the perfect tank is a rare creature if indeed he or she exists at all. People who turn away a tank because he's using a 2hs weapon, or because he's not carrying a shield, or whatever, are extremely biased at best and complete morons at worst. Use the gear that YOU feel makes you a good tank, group with the people who appreciate your tanking skills, and feel sorry for the people who are so biased that they won't even give you a try.
As for the role you play, yes, that will change based on what the group composition is like. It's rare for a warrior to be expected to pull in LDoN,but I can imagine it happening. (Just gotta hope the enchanters are on their toes...but why isn't an enchanter pulling in that case? Ah well....) It's not uncommon for a warrior to pull outside of the dungeons though, especially in a caster-heavy group.
And I agree, get all your weapon skills up..switch out between 1hs and 2hs, put piercer or a blunt weapon in your offhand for a while, even work on 2hb and 2hpiercers...because there are excellent weapons out there in ALL categories,and you never know when you'll find a great deal in the bazaar or be the winner of an awesome drop in a raid.
As for the role you play, yes, that will change based on what the group composition is like. It's rare for a warrior to be expected to pull in LDoN,but I can imagine it happening. (Just gotta hope the enchanters are on their toes...but why isn't an enchanter pulling in that case? Ah well....) It's not uncommon for a warrior to pull outside of the dungeons though, especially in a caster-heavy group.
And I agree, get all your weapon skills up..switch out between 1hs and 2hs, put piercer or a blunt weapon in your offhand for a while, even work on 2hb and 2hpiercers...because there are excellent weapons out there in ALL categories,and you never know when you'll find a great deal in the bazaar or be the winner of an awesome drop in a raid.
The best tank is the one who is trusted to stick to the mob no matter what happens and who trusts his group that they will do everything to keep him alive.
The perfect tank keeps his casters alive, pure and simple. If you are good at this one thing, your reputation will follow you and people will be more than happy to have you in their group in the future.
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The perfect tank keeps agro and covers his health meter with masking tape. Trust your party, and never run... If everyone else runs, you can run once they are safe.
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i play a cleric or a chanter so possible different perspective. no one is perfect. a perfect tank wont keep a group alive. neither will a perfec cleric. play your character well. learn all skills available to you and learn them well. EQ in many ways is about teamwork from groups to raids get to know the people you group with and how they play. most importantly laugh wether you live or die, and remember its a game - if its not fun dont play.
The perfect tank.
WWI Mk IV (GB)
WWII Panzerkampfwagon Mk. V aus D
Korean era M48 Patton
Vietnam M60 a1
1990 on the best tank is the M1 Abrams, though some would argue the Leopard II.
Oh you meant in EQ?
What the others said above.
WWI Mk IV (GB)
WWII Panzerkampfwagon Mk. V aus D
Korean era M48 Patton
Vietnam M60 a1
1990 on the best tank is the M1 Abrams, though some would argue the Leopard II.
Oh you meant in EQ?
What the others said above.
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the perfeKt tanK is the Holy Knight !!!!!!!!!
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The perfect tank is on xegony he is a barbarian post his name if you know it.
Quote:
WWI Mk IV (GB)
WWII Panzerkampfwagon Mk. V aus D
Korean era M48 Patton
Vietnam M60 a1
1990 on the best tank is the M1 Abrams, though some would argue the Leopard II.
Oh you meant in EQ?
WWII Panzerkampfwagon Mk. V aus D
Korean era M48 Patton
Vietnam M60 a1
1990 on the best tank is the M1 Abrams, though some would argue the Leopard II.
Oh you meant in EQ?
LOL - I was thinking it but never posted it.
i dont think there is such a thing as a perfect tank. however a good tank can get agro and hold it well and can take damage well. the best tanks will have all there weapon skills maxed so they can use different weapons, in some cases a 2hs wep is much more prefereble to duel wielding (high end pop mobs that riproste for silly damage would rip a duel wielding hasted tank apart)some 2h weps are real good agro getters, specially ones with procs. oh and a warrior-cleric pulling duo is great in ldon. cleric pacifies warrior pulls with arrows, jobs a good
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Hi, Jim Nesselroad here.
The perfect tank is my 7 year old son who understands that you get the monster and fight the monster. Toe-to-toe. Don't look at the red bar or the yellow bar. Someone in the group will fix you up as those get low. And if all heck break loose, taunt the add and the add and the add. Die right where you stand and let the others get away. They will rez you if you can hold the monsters off them while the get away. And, its easier to find your corpse if you died right where you were fighting and not off running like a nut.
The perfect tank is my 7 year old son who understands that you get the monster and fight the monster. Toe-to-toe. Don't look at the red bar or the yellow bar. Someone in the group will fix you up as those get low. And if all heck break loose, taunt the add and the add and the add. Die right where you stand and let the others get away. They will rez you if you can hold the monsters off them while the get away. And, its easier to find your corpse if you died right where you were fighting and not off running like a nut.
A tank knows how and when to taunt, keep agro and should have maxed defensive skill for maxed AC for the lvl possible. Especially for a race like iksar it's even more required since iksars don't have that great STA. (Thgough AGI and AC are naturally already a bit higher to compensate for this). Where it concerns your weapon, anything that holds agro is cool. Have multiple weapons with you and rotate them and find the best combo for each situation. If you are grouped with high dps classes you really want something that retains agro. If you arre with more beneficial classes and you should go yourself for best DPS and let the others manage their own agro profile.
Pulling is not really warrior business anymore though especially in some ldon i see clerics pallies and chanters pacifying too much while you could safely directly engage a mob instead, corner it and whack it to death. Some ppl seem to forget that pacifypulling takes time and that pulling in general involves MOB-pathing wich can occasionally add to problems. At least it can speed up your crawls :-)
The perfect tank exists in the form of being best played tank. learn about other classes see their strengths and their weaknesses see how other ppl do their job with their war in you play another class yourself and learn from them from the situation and figure out what you could have done their instead.
Another way of determining what the best tank is by seeing wich tank has the most fun. One of my former guildies used to play a war but only up to 25 and then erased him to start over again just for fun.
So whatever you do, have fun that's the most important thing in the game.
Happy hunting....
Pulling is not really warrior business anymore though especially in some ldon i see clerics pallies and chanters pacifying too much while you could safely directly engage a mob instead, corner it and whack it to death. Some ppl seem to forget that pacifypulling takes time and that pulling in general involves MOB-pathing wich can occasionally add to problems. At least it can speed up your crawls :-)
The perfect tank exists in the form of being best played tank. learn about other classes see their strengths and their weaknesses see how other ppl do their job with their war in you play another class yourself and learn from them from the situation and figure out what you could have done their instead.
Another way of determining what the best tank is by seeing wich tank has the most fun. One of my former guildies used to play a war but only up to 25 and then erased him to start over again just for fun.
So whatever you do, have fun that's the most important thing in the game.
Happy hunting....
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