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This whole IGE thing is quite stupid. Mainly because I think about the people who waste RL money JUST to have items in a virtual world. Isnt that kind of pathetic? It is just a game, the items have no worth outside EQ. I mean, if people are that eager to buy really good items with their money, they really do need a reality check. Ive been with EQ for a long time and I see no logic in this. I really don't care if you flame me or not, I am just stating my opinion.
Deeltor wrote:
Mainly because I think about the people who waste RL money JUST to have items in a virtual world. Isnt that kind of pathetic? It is just a game, the items have no worth outside EQ. I mean, if people are that eager to buy really good items with their money, they really do need a reality check.
The IGE (external influence) issue aside, I have seen this point raised over and over again.
It is a ridiculously lopsided bit of thinking.
Where is the difference between buying a CD from your local games shop, with RL money, to get a whole load of stuff that makes up a virtual world, and, buying some items with RL money that enhance your virtual world?
If it is "pathetic" to spend RL money to buy items in a virtual world, is it not also pathetic to spend RL money on buying expansion packs? Subscribing to a fan sight with RL money so that you can read about virtual items?
The whole damn thing is "virtual" and we all pay RL money to gain access to it, to spend time on-line playing it, to research and read about it and to upgrade and expand it.
The argument about spending RL money to buy "virtual" items, when put by people who play "virtual" games, is circular and nonsensical. (And hypocritical.)
I pay $60.00+ per month for a cable connection, plus two EQ accounts (I forget how much that is $30.00 pm?), plus a premium membership here. What does that add up to? Somewhere around $100.00 per month lets say.
RL $100.00 per month on nothing but "virtual" items. How would spending another $100.00 be any more or less "pathetic"?
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If it is "pathetic" to spend RL money to buy items in a virtual world, is it not also pathetic to spend RL money on buying expansion packs? Subscribing to a fan sight with RL money so that you can read about virtual items?
Your paying for game enhancements with the expansion packs. These enchancements introduce new gameplay elements and other odds and ends.
Your paying on this website to obtain information about this game. I can understand paying for information, although I myself wont spend the money to suscribe to a fan site.
Buying items for EQ using RL money just doesnt make sense to me. If your so into EQ that you'd waist your RL money on items for a virtual world, where you could otherwise obtain using plat or hunting in game, then I see a problem with that. Outside influences shouldnt effect the In-game atmosphere. I guess alot of people just want to be the best and richest person in EQ and they're willing to spend RL money to make that happen.
Its just my way of thinking: EQ is a game, why would I pay for number's in a game. I can get the items in a game w/o RL Money. People who spend their money on item's just want a quick fix, and its just kind of obsessive.
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Your paying for game enhancements with the expansion packs. These enchancements introduce new gameplay elements and other odds and ends.
Your paying on this website to obtain information about this game. I can understand paying for information, although I myself wont spend the money to suscribe to a fan site.
Your paying on this website to obtain information about this game. I can understand paying for information, although I myself wont spend the money to suscribe to a fan site.
so people who buy PP aren't paying to increase thier enjoyment of the game? just like i pay to use this site for those exact reasons?
Look just agree that you dont want to buy pp <Like me> and get on with the game.
Is there a Troll starting to beat a dead horse again???
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Mainly because I think about the people who waste RL money JUST to have items in a virtual world. Isnt that kind of pathetic?
there must be an aweful lot of 'pathetic' people out there . it's kind of like **** , some people say only perverts like **** . well judging by the number of stores in any large city and the number of websites , there must be a massive number of perverts out there .
there must be an aweful lot of 'pathetic' people out there . it's kind of like **** , some people say only perverts like **** . well judging by the number of stores in any large city and the number of websites , there must be a massive number of perverts out there .
No, your missing the point. The game was not meant to be played by going to E-Bay or IGE to use your RL money to buy items just so you can be better than other people. You were suppose to earn the items and pp in the game only. This kind of shows how much EQ degraded over the years. People take advantage of the system, and other people buy into it because they think they're getting the upper hand. Why should I buy an item with real money when I could just earn it in a game? RL Money seems to be more important ,to me at least, than PP.
Your "****" argument is just irrelevant. E-bay and IGE hasnt completely taken over EQ, and I doubt the majority of players even bother with it.
Edit: *Sorry about the double post, hit the wrong button"
Edited, Mon Feb 9 16:13:02 2004 by Deeltor
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there must be an aweful lot of 'pathetic' people out there . it's kind of like **** , some people say only perverts like **** . well judging by the number of stores in any large city and the number of websites , there must be a massive number of perverts out there .
No, your missing the point. The game was not meant to be played by going to E-Bay or IGE to use your RL money to buy items just so you can be better than other people. You were suppose to earn the items and pp in the game only. This kind of shows how much EQ degraded over the years. People take advantage of the system, and other people buy into it because they think they're getting the upper hand. Why should I buy an item with real money when I could just earn it in a game? RL Money seems to be more important ,to me at least, than PP.
Your "****" argument is just irrelevant. E-bay and IGE hasnt completely taken over EQ, and I doubt the majority of players even bother with it.
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I never quite understand these type of posts. Every single one of them I have read has a statement like "why do they spend their money on this" or "why waste their RL money on something virtual." Who gives a shat what they do with THEIR money. I don't pay THEIR bills, and they don't call me up to borrow MY money to purchase something virtual. It is simply THEIR money, they can do as they please with it. cheers...
Some people have more time than money and some people have more money than time. It seems to me to be a victimless crime if somebody with more money than time buys an item from somebody with more time than money.
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I tend to agree with nookem. I finally broke down and bought some platinum from them, and I am glad I did so. When I recently returned to the game after a few months off, I realized I had stayed at level 62 because I didn't have easy access to 63-65 spells. I did not want to get to 65 and be unable to cast the spells expected of my class (shaman). That the designers make it so difficult to get something as essential as one's spells has always baffled me. While I may look with envy upon the "ubers" with their much, much better gear, I can at least appreciate that they play more often and put up with guild politics to get there. Spells, however, I feel should be available cheaply to all who earn the level.
I am glad I have all my spells now, and I am even more pleased that I can say "pass" when spectrals drop when I am grouping. I suppose I could have toughed it out over the next several months, fighting over electrified bricks of copper, or soloing hounds in WW for months, or some such, to SOMEDAY be able to afford Fo7 or Quiescence, but bah. Now I have them, now I can cast them on group members, now I can relax a bit and enjoy this game again. It is still enjoyable upgrading gear the old fashioned way; the same just isn't true with high-end spell acquisitions.
I am glad I have all my spells now, and I am even more pleased that I can say "pass" when spectrals drop when I am grouping. I suppose I could have toughed it out over the next several months, fighting over electrified bricks of copper, or soloing hounds in WW for months, or some such, to SOMEDAY be able to afford Fo7 or Quiescence, but bah. Now I have them, now I can cast them on group members, now I can relax a bit and enjoy this game again. It is still enjoyable upgrading gear the old fashioned way; the same just isn't true with high-end spell acquisitions.
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Some people have more time than money and some people have more money than time. It seems to me to be a victimless crime if somebody with more money than time buys an item from somebody with more time than money.
Well put. I find it amusing to see how people bad mouth buying plat while spending 4-6 hours a day playing the game to get plat opposite of the guy who makes $75 an hour and plays a couple of hours a day for enjoyment, but buys virtual property. The guy buying probably has the better end of the argument if you ask me,...as bad as it is for game play.
Lately, I play the game for the challenge of the moment, not the aquisistion of gear. It took me 4+ years to get to this point after realizing I now have enough plat to upgrade and just "Play" the game insead of camping the game. I spent many a night in Perma, Solb, and UGuk camping **** when I would have rather been playing the game.
Ive done a couple of server swaps, somehow I managed to not lose any plat in the process. /innocent look
Let's back up a bit. There are several issues here:
1. Is it "pathetic" to buy virtual goods with RL money
Well, if it is, we're all pathetic. Welcome to the club.
2. Is it wrong to buy plat in EverQuest
On the surface, I would say no. If SOE offered plat-for-cash it would not bother me.
Right now, you can trade a massive amount of your own personal free time to get 100,000pp.
To say that you could also spend some reasonable amount of money that would translate to that much of your free time in order to get 100,000pp is fine with me. Spend the time, or spend the bucks. Ok. After all, plat isn't everything in EQ, and there are levels of play where plat just doesn't help you out. I can cope with the idea that someone who just starts out today can get fully decked out in ornate if he can afford the money, since he's still gonna have to put in the time to learn to play at the level that I do.
3. And here we have the biggie... is buying plat from IGE wrong
Here, I say 100% yes. If you buy plat from IGE, you're no better in my book than someone who exploits a bug in the game. We all know that IGE gets their plat by exploiting the game, and buying their plat makes you an accomplice to that.
Plat flows into the economy at an alarming rate because IGE can afford to sell it so cheap that it's not worth it to anyone else to sell THEIR plat. I recall when I could have sold my EQ-life-savings on an auction site and gotten a decent amount of cash. I was not about to do that, but that meant that the economy was in balance. Now, what it takes me 1000 hours to get wouldn't be worth enough to buy toliet paper. That hurts everyone, not because they all want to sell their plat, but because now their plat is devalued in-game, and items that everyone wants are so expensive that you need to buy plat online if you don't have access to a guild that can get the item for you.
IGE *needs* to be stopped, and I really hope Sony does it.
Please keep these issues separate when talking about online plat. I don't care if you go buy plat from some other player. That's no worse than my handing 1k to my friend who just started the game. Who cares if I gave it to him for free (I did) or charged him $10? Does it really impact your life?
1. Is it "pathetic" to buy virtual goods with RL money
Well, if it is, we're all pathetic. Welcome to the club.
2. Is it wrong to buy plat in EverQuest
On the surface, I would say no. If SOE offered plat-for-cash it would not bother me.
Right now, you can trade a massive amount of your own personal free time to get 100,000pp.
To say that you could also spend some reasonable amount of money that would translate to that much of your free time in order to get 100,000pp is fine with me. Spend the time, or spend the bucks. Ok. After all, plat isn't everything in EQ, and there are levels of play where plat just doesn't help you out. I can cope with the idea that someone who just starts out today can get fully decked out in ornate if he can afford the money, since he's still gonna have to put in the time to learn to play at the level that I do.
3. And here we have the biggie... is buying plat from IGE wrong
Here, I say 100% yes. If you buy plat from IGE, you're no better in my book than someone who exploits a bug in the game. We all know that IGE gets their plat by exploiting the game, and buying their plat makes you an accomplice to that.
Plat flows into the economy at an alarming rate because IGE can afford to sell it so cheap that it's not worth it to anyone else to sell THEIR plat. I recall when I could have sold my EQ-life-savings on an auction site and gotten a decent amount of cash. I was not about to do that, but that meant that the economy was in balance. Now, what it takes me 1000 hours to get wouldn't be worth enough to buy toliet paper. That hurts everyone, not because they all want to sell their plat, but because now their plat is devalued in-game, and items that everyone wants are so expensive that you need to buy plat online if you don't have access to a guild that can get the item for you.
IGE *needs* to be stopped, and I really hope Sony does it.
Please keep these issues separate when talking about online plat. I don't care if you go buy plat from some other player. That's no worse than my handing 1k to my friend who just started the game. Who cares if I gave it to him for free (I did) or charged him $10? Does it really impact your life?
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