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#1 Jan 30 2004 at 2:08 PM Rating: Default
[/b][/lg]IF YOU KNOW OF A YANTIS TOON ON YOUR SERVER EXPOSE HIM OR HER HERE![b][/sm]

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No Pranks on fellow traders, this posting thread is for serious exposures [/u]ONLY [u][b][sm]


Okay all, I will be the first to Post my Yantis Toon Suspect:
(Format, Name, Server, Explanation)

[/b]Keisl - Venril Sathir Server Bazaar - Explanation as follows [b]

Keisl one day in VS Bazaar appeared & everyone, within the day were exclaiming that they were logging off, happy that they sold all of their high end gear (ie, ornates, White dragon helm, etc.) When this was noticed many started looking for these items, suddenly a toon named Keisl was in bazaar trader mode, with all of aforementioned sales in his trader, from 129k up to 99999k etc... never spams, never logs out of trader, always in the same spot, never responds to tells, no afk message, etc. Fits the Yantis toon description.
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#2 Jan 30 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
hmm...I'm not that sure we should return to the stocks again....what would be next? lynch mobs?

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#3 Jan 30 2004 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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#4 Jan 30 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
as much as id like to see a list of known yantis/ige traders, id not trust it coming from player discriptions. id like some more fact behind the list of names.

if you really think this guy is assositated with ige/yantis, then petition him, /bug it, /report it etc. what ever, but do not expect much help from SoE as they could care less about inforcing thier EULA as they are still getting paid no matter who uses/abuses the game.
#5 Jan 30 2004 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Its not like this guy could be an uberguild mule, using the guild's plat funds to work the bazaar for more guild funds. I never hear of that happening.
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#6 Jan 30 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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never spams, never logs out of trader, always in the same spot, never responds to tells, no afk message, etc. Fits the Yantis toon description


Um, my trader fits that description too... I can assure you that I am not associated with Yantis. Virtual witch hunts are a bad idea, speculation like this could hurt somebody's ingame reputation.
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#7 Jan 30 2004 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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never spams, never logs out of trader, always in the same spot, never responds to tells, no afk message, etc. Fits the Yantis toon description.


Sounds like my trader too i have clocked up 280+ days in trader mode and i am not IGE i can tell you.

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Keisl was in bazaar trader mode, with all of aforementioned sales in his trader, from 129k up to 99999k


or he could be the new Uberguild Trader you can't tell.
#8 Jan 30 2004 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Besides, what do you expect to happen when you expose that level 2 vendor mule and/or plat delivery man? Oooh Yantisian was discovered, I'll have to make a new level 2 frog to hold my gear...
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#9 Jan 30 2004 at 10:23 PM Rating: Good
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Um... Not to mention that it's certainly not illegal to buy up a lot of high end gear and then sell it at a markup.

I think alot of folks are mixing together legitimate bazaar trade practices with "illegal" plat purchasing tactics used by IGE. You really need to stop looking at who's buying and selling what for what price in the bazaar. None of that is illegal, or even unwanted IMO.

What IGE is doing that's causing the problems is that they are creating a real world market for themselves. IGE is not working the bazaar market so they can get better gear for themselves, or make more plat so they can buy even better stuff. They do it for one reason and one reason only: To support their plat sales online for real world cash.

By having lots of seed plat to start with, they can corner certain markets in game, allowing them to raise the prices dramatically. This requires folks to buy more plat from them, increasing their profits in real cash. The great thing about their business model is that the inflation in EQ doesn't hurt them at all. They have no interest or care in getting more or better gear for themselves. All they care about is increasing the demand for plat (thus increasing their sales).


Just seeing someone working the bazaar isn't illegal or even an indicator of IGE at work. The real problem is the sale of plat in the first place. Remove that, and the other problems go away. Even better, you can't accidentally ban innocent people if you focus on nailing the folks selling plat. There is no legitimate reason for someone to be selling plat online and delivering it in game. If you ban just people doing that, then you wont ever ban an "honest" player. Targeting people who use market cornering tactics in the bazaar will result in some folks getting banned wrongly.
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#10 Jan 31 2004 at 1:45 AM Rating: Default
no you dont seem to undserstand, this Yantis on VS, has been seen, only, ONLY to buy new stuff IMMEADIETALY when it is put up for trade, say 5 minutes.... he's been there & back into his cubby hole, tellin ya... read & listen, this is also a good place to stand up for ones self, if Keisl were to come here & yack a bit, then agree to meet me in EQ in bazaar & /tell back & forth, then yes, I could see that I may be wrong, but I have seen the same types of toons doin the same buys/prices serverwide.... this is a yantis toon, & no, its not an uber guild mule, I know many on my server... & the uber guilds don't hold a candle to this guy... best droppable gear in the game, bought & up for sale on him.... besides, I said this thread was for exposures/accusations ONLY! immeadietely you guys come chat here, quit biting my thread & go shoot other peeps threads down, namely those who deserve it... I just wanted a place where peeps could identify suspects... for reference.
#11 Jan 31 2004 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
relaxe, there is a lot of stress in the air with the yantis/IGE buyout, and then add the stress of todays EQ servers being stupid and things get a little nuts.

ill say same thing i did before. if he is a yantis/IGE toon, then by god /petition, /report, bug etc. what ever to get SoE attention about this and hope and prey that they do their job. doubt they will, but you never know.

id love to see SoE ban all of the yantis/IGE accounts and accounts that have done business with them, then post the list of those accounts (toon(s) name per server) so all who know of them can spread the word to others and see about getting this junk stoped.

until SoE does something about it regular players really only have 2 choices.

1. deal with it and keep paying SoE
2. stop playing and stop paying SoE, as this seems to be all SoE cares about is getting their monthly fee.
#12 Jan 31 2004 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
I might add that on FV a lot of people try to buy adventure points for incredible prices. Maybe thats where most bought plat goes into.....
#13 Jan 31 2004 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Buy adventure points?
Are adventure points tradable?
I hope your talking about some other way of getting them, because I realy hope adventure points are'nt tradable. Adventure points are usualy fun and relatively easy to get, until you group with the almost too common-bad player.
#14 Jan 31 2004 at 8:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Just because a toon buy high end tradeable gear and then turns around and sells those same items at a higher price does not make them a Yantis/IGE toon. There are perhaps thousands of real life players that have 2 accounts; 1 account that they play and the other one for their mule to sell the stuff that account 1 acquires.

To paraphrase Gbaji, people are confusing legal trading practices with illegal ways of acquiring plat.

I mean one of the basic ways to earn plat in the bazaar is buy low, sell high.

In conclusion, I feel this whole yantis trader exposing thread was started by someone who feels slighted or wants to get back at someone. It is very hard to differentiate between a yantis trader and an uberguild mule or a players mule on a second account.
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#15 Feb 01 2004 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
Keisl is very well known on VS, as are several other mules with similar prices. Given that fact, it would be surprising if he wasn't being watched carefully by the GMs to see if he is just a top end trader with a lot of pp or is an exploiter and/or bot. Several months have gone by and he is still there, thus I suspect, whilst a pain in the ***** he is a legitimate trader.

Incidently, he does log off as a trader, as do the others. And in the final analysis, it's up to the players on VS to boycott the over-priced top end mules. I have always waited for the stuff I want, and Keisl has, and it has always turned up at a better price.
#16 Feb 01 2004 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
But we are again at the point where we have to seperate between taking advantage or exploiting.

As I am an avid Bazaar user on FV I know some trade mules already (naked toon but stuff between 1k and 100k is quite a sign) but why should I complain?

As far as I could check they are "honest" mules who are just there to sell auguments or enchanted jewelery p.e. In fact there's one "Jewelery-mule" I check everytime I enter the Bazaar because she's got fair prices and a wide range.

These "Tradeskiller-mules" even add to the environment and make TS much more functionable in my opinion so I refrain from any kind of McCarthy-attitude regarding mules.

Edited, Sun Feb 1 12:38:07 2004 by Leiany
#17 Feb 01 2004 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I come here and I read one complaint after another and one after another of we should do this or that or SoE should watch this toon or they should ban all the acounts of yantis/IGE. And then I read people saying that I can't buy this item cause of re-sellers marking up the price. Now what I see in game and online here (chat boards in general) and this is MY conclusion is that people are just to lazy now. Either they #1 By plat online and pay what-ever they need to for what they want.#2 They join uber guilds just to get one item then leave. or the most common #3 they jsut complain about SoE and yantis/IGE and keep dealing with the high prices. So what I would suggest is that you go farm your high end item(s) you want. And if you don't have friends that will help you.Then quit doing pick-up LdoN's and form a group of friends and each night let someone pick where you wanna go and for what or something like that. Now I see the complaints arlready I don't play enough to get do something like that or I don't play on consistant times/nights. Or I am not high enough Level to do that. Well then hey sorry to have to say it but that is the way this game works. More friends+LVL's=UBER lewt.
#18 Feb 03 2004 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
In my opinion this is the wrong way to approach this. There will be players named to play jokes on them or get revenge on them. This is also the wrong end of the cycle to attack.

If we want to stop the auto-traders and plat merchants, we all need to stop buying plat for real money. Players need to earn it themselves in game. Doing that is the only way to solve the problem.

Be honest now, if you could mule millions of plat and then sell it in real life for a very decent profit, wouldn't you? Money is money, and I know that if someone was willing to pay my mortgage by buying cartoon money from me I would not hesitate, my family means more than any silly toon game. And most people are going to say the same. So the opportunity must be removed.

The only way to effectievly stop the real money for plat traders is to not buy plat with real money. As long as people are willing to pay, they will be there ready to sell.
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