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A great first step to hinder this would be to make Ornate Patterns/Molds NO DROP like Elemental Patterns/Molds are...one of the single easiest ways to accrue large sums of PLAT is with the ornate buy sell business...I wish the spells from GRW and SP's resulted in NO DROP spells, another area of huge plat items...and it is frustrating to those of us who go and get our own items rather than buy platinum to equip our characters with items and spells, to lose rolls in Bastion of Thunder for Glyph Rune Words to a WAR/MNK who wants the itme so they can sell...would not hurt my feelings a bit to see all dropped items tagged NO DROP, with the exception of maybe tradeskill components and items with a recommended level of below 50...

I KNOW I KNOW this is not going to happen...lol but it would solve part of the problem...

I agree that there are many characters on each server who buy and sell in Bazaar like it was a stock market to supply online dealers with platinum to sell for real cash...I doubt very seriously there is any program to auto buy items (that would be real easy to detect) but they are doing this only they run around in bazaar for a couple hours every day buying up items then marking them up to sell at HUGE profit then take the profit and sell it online for cash...or broker it to those who do...

Maybe the crack down should be on those who BUY the plat rather than those who sell it...as long as people are able to buy it they will...remove the temptation of buying plat by banning a few who are caught and the sellers soon will have no market to sell to...

I see a VERY simple soulution to this problem. Ornate sells for OUTRAGOUS amounts on just about any server. These are the items that everyone is wanting/needing. Just make them NO DROP, that would solve the issue in about 2 hours of patching. Granted things like Fungi's and Dragon Scale helms will still be priced higher, but the BULK of the sales would dive bomb.


Aberum Redclay
65 Overlord
Innourruk Server

I hear on the FV server most things are tradeable except for epics and stuff of that nature.

The regular servers have alot of no drop stuff, meaning you cant drop it once you pick it up unless you destroy it or its for a quest turn in.

Okay, this is a very serious issue. I have only read the first page of responses and am seeing a trend in advising solutions to the problem.

I see 2 very easily solutions I want to put forward.

#1) Sony should buy the platnium dealing companies and set prices in game by force. yes, we loose the "player based" economy, but it seems we already have anyway. at least Sony could maintain a more resonable ceiling on prices.

#2) We file a class action lawsuit in federal court accusing IGE and Mysupersales of monopolistic crimes and price fixing.

The way I see it, it is a crime that crosses state and even international boundries, and just because it is a "virtual" price fixing doesn't preclude it from the dominion of US federal (and perhaps international) law.

if Sony refuses to fix the problem, then let the courts do it. perhaps sony might be getting a kickback from these offenders to allow it to continue? either way, the truth or a close proximity, would come out if lawyers got a hold of it in a public forum.

my 2 cents.
Shoen

Huffman, at some point in just about any thread, people are going to start blasting each other. I got fed up because as I've been reading on the forums the past couple days, it seems like every time I read a post that makes me think "whoever wrote that is an a**", I glance to the left to see the name on it and 9 times out of 10, it's Leiany's. It's really easy to sit back and pick apart other people's efforts/ideas, and that's about all she seems to do. I will admit that right after I posted my rant (naturally), I came across her post where she suggested making mini-bazaars in multiple zones, and I think that's a pretty darn good idea, so I do have to give her a little bit of credit.

did you ever stop to think maybe SoE wants to ruin EQ ?

think of it think way, you are making a game ( EQ 2 ) that you are wanting to replace EQ with, but learn hat most will not go to your new game because they are happy where they are. now you are going to have a large amount of money tied up rying to keep both games running, and people in both happy. this will take alot of money. even EQ2's story line says after the fall of Norath 500 years later EQ2 is born.

was this what they were thinking when they make the sleeper ? A mob when awoke kills everything in EQ. so EQ2 can be born and the death to EQ.

so now comes the question, how do we make all the EQ players want to leave and not be mad at us so they will go and play EQ2 when we put it out ? by allowing Dupes, cheats and so on to go unfixed or even put them in the game to start with and tell this one and that one to help spread the word they are there ?

SoE is a company, A company that wants to make money, same as all companys. so think about it for a min. who is really trying to kill EQ ? how much money do they stand to lose trying to keep two very large games up and running , compaired to how much they could save and make if they made EQ go away and everybody go play there new game.

I will be one that does not go to EQ2. why ? becuase I am happy here in EQ. if they make EQ unplayable I will go to another game all together , but you can bet it will not be EQ2 just so SoE can go though the same thing all over again when they think it's time to make a new game they want you to play and not the one you are happy with. spend more time trying to keep the one that works and people love working in top shape, and not more time sinks and you will keep more players paying to play. they think makign it harder to level you will play more and more and not stop playing or paying. did they ever think that if it wasn't so hard and you get too bunt that you would just go and make another class and do it all over again ?

bottom line is fix and up keep EQ and keep it runnign bug free and you will always make money on it. try to run people off and you will do just that, run them off, for good , and not to another SoE game that will end up doing the very same thing to it's players. letting them down in the long run.

wow, this just leaves me speachless, finally someone pulls back the iron curtain protecting IGE and such, THANK YOU

If you craft/loot/quest everything for your class on your own, then you're not really participating in the market are you? And if you're not really participating in the market you're not exerting any control over the market are you? The point of the original post was about the EQ economy. Arguing about things that don't pertain to the economy don't really affect the post now do they?

Just an idea. Even though I have not finished reading the entire ( its gonna take a while ) post. It seems to me that pricing for items in the bazaar is way too high. It would seem reasonable for Sony to place a price cap on the items being sold there. The current cap that is about 999999 ( i think ) or pretty darn close to this amount. another thing is, if you want some decent weapons or armor then why not go out an work for the items ( there is a reason why you have skills and such ). I've been playing EQ now for about a year... screwed up the one and only GM event that i had been in, am always attempting quests to improve my inventory, making new friends, running in a guild ( Yah!!!! Children of Noticula rule), and have never attempted to cheat ( takes the fun out of playing for EVERYONE). cmon I'm not gonna say I didnt attempt to cheat when I first started playing.... even though the cheats didnt work I thought about what would happen if they did. I probrably wouldnt have wanted to play the game very long after. If I have an item that I just dont want or need I dont attempt to sell it at amazing outrageous prices... I give it to a low lvl char in my guild, use it to get someone to join the guild, sometimes I even just give them away. The only sucess i've had at selling anything in the bazaar is nothing... i've attempted to sell things at the bazaar and couldnt sell a thing.... sure i had reasonable prices, but i dont think anyone was even looking due to the fact that prices have risen so much. so i cut the price down to a quarter of what i was asking (eg. 20pp for a stack of bone chips became 5pp for a stack). its not hard to go out there and work for what you need but those people who are ripping off the innocents in EQ need to learn that a while ago they were newbies too and getting ripped off the same as everyone else.




Optatus <Children of Noticula>
lvl 39 pali


How does it feel to be the one that everyone hates
One day you'll get yours

just went to the eqlive site and read this


January 30, 2004
Tonight we have a small update to fix some general bugs. We are again changing charm (in exactly the way we thought we had last week) No this is not deja vu. You should also look for changes in that evolving zone of Nedaria's Landing. I wonder what is going on there?


- An update to the zone, Nedaria's Landing. Make sure you check it out.

- Charm spell change: If an NPC is in the middle of casting a spell when charm is broken, it will interrupt the spell.

- Some general bug fixes.

Make sure you log onto the Test server to see what other changes we are cooking up. Our next Scheduled update is planned for February 10th.

wow a patch tonite... some general bug fixes???

Hard fact folks, SOE rarely does anything to correct an issue that the players themselves can resolve.

For this reason I dont see them doing anything to address this problem. Yes, it bites that a few people are ruining good things about the game but we as players can ultimatly impact this more the SOE can; after all we are EQ's economy not SOE.

This post is an awesome one in it brings to light something we can all do to address the problem. On my server it has not had THAT big an impact(though it has had a noticable one). The reason is the grp of players on my server are real "art-of-the-Deal" kinda folks so our advertised prices vs. actual sell prices has always been skewd. If you wanted 20k for an item you /auc it for 50k, who knows you may get 25k for it. So, long story short very few people will deal with trader mules they get no response from or refuse to "make a deal" on the price they have listed. For us the bazaar is a place to sell tradeskill components/wares and the 2k or less twink stuff you really dont wanna bother auctioning for 2-3 hours you coulda been playing.

If all players started to buy from those they can speak with and everyone stopped worrying about what was for sale in the bazaar for 500k and just refused to buy at inflated prices then in the end it will put the problem in check because if you cant sell somthing for 500k in 2 months then you start seriously thinking about lowering your price to that which the economy demands.

I say let the few who wish to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars of RL money on EQ go pay 300k more for an item in the bazaar from the trader bots and those of reason can go buy from each other at realistic prices. But ultimatley none of this requires anything on the part of SOE so dont expect to see anything from them.

Edited, Fri Jan 30 14:16:07 2004 by Xackor

And responded to that with



Then when I pointed out that not using the economy to get their items means they're neither affecting, nor being affected by the economy, so their whole arguement was about as useful as the space between their ears, or a testosterone injection for Tinky-Winky.

I know you have problems with your trains of thought since they lack an engine, so I'll keep my step program short for you.

Step 1: Stay on topic
Step 2: Answer with stuff about what people are talking about
Step 3: Find out if your parents were related. Before they had you I mean.
Step 4: When answering a post talking about server economies, only share opinions and beliefs about... well... server economies really.