I guess Verant/SOE can kiss my A*SFollow

I guess getting emerald oranges for a "flask of orange juice" will do the same for my 14th lvl toon *lol*

Well I am afraid with 39 iI can only get old instead of growing up.

And you'd be better off not waisting your time trying to convince me to join a guild *ROFL*

BTW - if the owner of this board starts deleting my "worthless" posts and threads or deletes my account I'll accept that - him/her/them has every right and I won't argue about it.

But otherwise I don't give a piece of owl bear dung to any lamers rants.

I wonder who gives a f**k what you think? Maybe the woman you have to pay to get laid *lol*

At least your signature shows some honesty :)

I have already come to the conclusion that arguing with Leiany is an exercise in futility.

Stone Deaf

Hmmm...I do not understand how important it would be to have a tradeskill if it nevcer fails. Does not sound like a skill level will be required. Probably will be based on your characters level. That does not sound fun.

One of the main flaws that I see is the economy of this. If nothing fails, how are the items being created absorbed back into the economy? My guess is that it is not...that it will just be purchased and not will mroe or less evaporate from the game. I like the idea that if I bake a bunch of batwing crunchies, you can come along after me and buy them from the merchant I sold them to...if you really want to. ( ewww).

I do not think EQs tradeskill system is bad, I think that the ability to practice your tradeskill has been difficult thanks to the UI. That is being fixed with the next expansion and when that happens I believe that tradeskills in EQ will become bigger than ever.

Wheres that pic about arguing on the internet is like the special olympics? Could come in handy right now.

You know what i think about that link,if you dont you damn well should, why the fck do you think it is intelligent or even remotely clever or anything else to compare an ingame (ok asshat) opinion to someone who is mentally impared.

Get a life, get some comapssion in that life, and get some perspective. Some stuff is just not funny.

Staying with the topic I agree that I can't jugdge how it worked in the old days I can only judge whatI find upon entering EQ at the present state. Although I still wonder how many fine steel weapons (a very realistic recipe and procedere) all you veterans actually ever crafted. I would guess roughly "0" but you will surely correct me if I'm wrong.


But even if the majority of recipes is somehow realistic it's obvious that only a small percentage of them is used actually. So it is fair to sy i judge the system by what people actually USE not by what they MIGHT use.

Talking about restrictions - the WOW TS system is indeed intended to be connected to character lvl, which would not make a difference compared to EQ. Grandmasters usually don't have a lvl. below 50 afaIk. Honestly I am not too glad with that solution either because it means a tradeskiller has to return to be "creature-killer" to make a further advance possible from time to time.

The statement of realism of failures on the other hand is totally ridiculous. Learning skills (no matter if combat, trade or magic) is still as simplified, abstract and totally exchangable as in the first D&D edition from the 80s I started playing. There's just a frame being constructed to make it fit into the fantasy roleplaying game. As I have a plumber as my father in law I can only tell you he'd love his *** of about TS in EQ.

this is also a total abstraction of apprenticeships. From the mideveal until the 18th century you'd have 1 year doing just every dirty or boring work your master he'd allow you to work on his precious material and using his tools.

So having a system without PLAYED failures doesnt mean a skunks gland if the progress is balanced between cost, time and succes.

Would there be a diference if you had to stack 5 pelts for every recipe and after combine youre told that based on your skill and luck you used up all of them or you just needed 1 to tailor your piece? Certainly not. As you see by that example "failure to combine" is a complete abstract concept and as I stated twice I state it again:

If it takes 10 plat and 30 minutes to raise your skill by 1 point it DOES NOT MATTER how this is achieved - But I cant imagine that anyone would prefer
-to work on crap and fail from time to time - still having crap as a reward apart from skilling up
over
having one crafted piece at the end thats no crap
Also obviously producing 5-10% of pieces to achieve the same amount of raise in skill compared to the present EQ system would make each item more valuable as every student of economics would agree to.

Point 1.

Blizzard have said right from the beginning that WoW is being designed to most suit those players in search of instant gratification.

In fact in one interview a designer even quoted an example directly comparing EQ and its grouping/questing ethos and saying this is not how WoW will work.

That is OK, in fact I look forward to this as it hopefully will remove many of the players we have in EQ who demonstrate such a short attention span.

Point 2.

Tradeskilling in EQ has always been inextricably linked with questing (Hey the game is called Everquest for a reason!). Yes many of the merchant purchaseable books do give recipes or at least strong clues on how they may work, but many are also meant to be "discovered" as a result of exploration and questing.

Point 3.

Yes no one is likely to want the fine steel sword that you craft these days. Although once it was highly prized, I used one my self for a few levels. However, a Vengefull or Hatefull Honed Blade of the Ykesha is still a highly desirable crafted sword. A Blackened Acrylia Halberd is not too shabby either.

Now before you start to whinge about the difficulty of the recipes for these items, let me point out that back in the day when a crafted fine steel sword was desirable, the components and difficulty of the combine was just as formidable in relative terms.

Yes you have to go to tier 3 planes to hunt for some of the components to craft the very best tradeskill items.

Guess what, back when crafting fine steel was valuable, you had to go hunt in Sol A or B to get the components. Guess what drops in Sol a & B? Fine steel. Off mobs that were approximately the same level of challenge as tier 3 mobs.

If you do not believe me, take your level 20 characters dressed in tattered leather and cloth or raw silk for the casters and try it!

And remember, tanks were not walking around with 6/65 rings and Goranger Warbeads, most of the accessory slots were empty. (Well maybe a couple of those dervish rings, (+1 stamina? I've forgotten).

Sure we all would like to see some things in the tradeskill system refined a bit, but SOE have had 5 years experience developing and tweaking the game, it would be amazing if anyone else could come along and "invent" a system that is substantially better.

Invisible, I know you dont find it offensive - but i do and i stand by my right to say so - and god forbid the day i can't even stand here invis on a bb and say so, its not personal its just what i think.


Kao, thanks

Speak away all ya want. It is indeed your right. The picture may be a bit offensive (or a lot) but the saying just fit so well here it seemed. Either way, no hard feelings, and I'll try to not bring up that pic again if I can help it.

Agree for the most part, but I'll be damned if it didn't take them far too long to fix warriors.

Hasn't happened once in the entire history of the game, why should they start now and ruin a perfectly good streak?