So then what is the point?Follow

How are you going to do that exactly since i anm Immune to fear effects? and you going to relly on you once in a week disarm working to get rid of my weapon?? i surgest you quit posting this sort of crap untill you have spent 3-6 months reading what your betters have to say <Not me in case you think i am haveing an ego issue here> and then revisit your comment when you have some more knowlage of other classes and how they work.

i would probably beat a monk played by you since you have no knowage of how a pally plays and are too self centered to learn as i have of people who know more than you.

Its sort of amusing, the number of players that come to EQ with the intense desire to be "leet" and the "uberest", mess around for a while, (probably peeing off large numbers of people in the process) and then quietly disappear.

There are some that do make it to 65, you see them wandering around PoK looking lost and lonely.

I wonder how many of them actually learn something along the way and quietly become "born again" EQers?

(I suspect there are a few of these, based on the number of people you meet at lower to mid levels who insist on preaching the "bleeding obvious" to fellow group members. I put it down to the need to keep reinforcing lessons learned to themselves, but ego dictates that they have to address the lectures to someone else, hehe. But, more power to them, if they have actually learned something and are attempting to improve.)

The though occured to me recently while pondering Iluien's future, it must be a rather hollow feeling to make it to 65 and have nothing in your future but to hang around lowbie camps pinching their mobs?

Yes. FV is an experiment. I believe they made SWG a single character game as well.

At least 50% of our guild have more than one account on FV, some as many as 8.

One of the things you do suffer from with the one character rule is lack of mules for necessary things like guild banking. Someone has to give up large amounts of bank space off a played character to store stuff for the guild.

Also I never really understood why the single character rule had anything at all to do with roleplaying. It does certainly concentrate the mind on that character but anyone interested in RP could definitely do that anyway.

When you look at the FV special ruleset it is very hard to see anything that actually encourages roleplay more than a normal server. TLC doesn't, lack of No Drop doesn't, Bind restrictions don't, language restrictions don't.

I am currently concentrating on my ranger who is levelling up nicely to help my cleric do things that he could not do alone. That of course is the other benefit of characters on multiple accounts - they can be played simultaneously.

it has in the way that you see the world only through one pair of eyes and interact with it on a singular basis.

Personally I would miss something if I'd just say: "Ahh - I do/try/buy/explore/kill that with my shammy/pally/necro/chanter after a cup o' coffee."

For my Rogue for example there are different environments - places I got to feel at home (....the quieteness of the forges in Kaladim where the only sound you hear is that of your own set of tools - compared to the shouting you just left behind in butcherblock mountains...), places I look upon as my hunting grounds - and places I'm afraid to go.

Actually feeling something like "fear" and knowing there are places not to go (yet *grin*) is what MAKES me play EQ - otherwise i could have sticked to the save-load routine from neverwinter nights and the like.....



No offense meant but this approach has nothing to do with roleplaying - its the way people play a SIM like railroad tycoon, sim city or anno 1605.

Somehow the idea comes to my mind that a lot of people play EQ like they played Tomb Raider, Diablo etc in the way they want to "win" and prefer to play EQ just because there one can do the "winning" in public....


Edited, Fri Jan 23 06:31:52 2004 by Leiany

Regarding the many people how undermine the 1 character per account idea I can only quote Oppenheimer (I'm not sure wether this quote is history or myth though) who answered the question WHY he invented the H-bomb with the words "Because I could"

It's human nature to make what one can - no matter if he's intended too or not and same goes for 8 accounts on FV.

The only question I have is WHY ON EARTH would someone play on FV and pay 8 TIMES for 8 accounts when he can have this on every other server for 1/8 of the cost??? I will look deeper into that....

I would guess some people prefer the environment of FV. Also some people prefer to multibox as opposed to finding a group. As far as cost goes $25.00 a month is not that much money. Many people spend $125 or more a month on ciggarettes alone. Thats 9 accounts right there.

Edited, Fri Jan 23 08:52:49 2004 by xythex

Silly me thought that SOE wanted to provide a no-alt, no-mule server for *whatever* reason.

But the truth is, that they decided to provide a high-quality server (don't know why they knew it was gonna be but who am I to doubt SOE) and then they said:

"Hey - this server is gonna be so DAMN good we will charge extra for it. And we most easily do that in having a one character per account limit. Surley people will appreciate the quality of our new server and gladly pay up to 8 times as much for alts and mules."

And SOE was right :)

Althogh I had them preferred to communicate this more clearly so dumbasses like myself didn't start out on FV because they naively thougt everyones only "allowed" one character on FV and they would never see a twinked toon there....

Edited, Fri Jan 23 09:19:13 2004 by Leiany

I'm not following your logic here. You can only have one toon logged on per account at a time. So in order to multibox you have to have a seperate account for each toon, regardless of what server your on. Why would you not compare cost of one form of entertainment (or addiction depending on who you talk to ) to any other form?

Try to convince someone of your point of view in the field of business, science, social environment or whatever. Even at college your classmates will laugh at this way to compare things.

Sorry, I disagree. I have seen a monk go one on one with a warrior and the intimidate/disarm combo worked pretty well. Not to mention the fact that you often do not notice your weapon missing from your hand.

Monks and rogues don't fear kite because they can't handle the possible aggro that they would get especially indoors. It is used as a 'I'm about to die and need to get away' type of skill much like FD.



I don't know much about pallys and fear effects. So I can't really say much about that part of it but you do seem to feel that monks are not a class that can handle you one on one. As far as posting crap, I do read the boards and its people like you that feel that they have the master class that cause people like the poster to get fustrated with the game. Personally, if you don't think that a monk could ever beat you in a fight, who is more ignorant? I would never tell someone that they picked a sucky class. All classes are good to play. The point I was making was to the poster...Don't be caught up in the whose better game because you will never get a correct answer. You my friend have proved that point with your 'once in a week disarm' comments.

Learn how to spell and learn how to /assist people better rather than getting into stupid debates.

Perhaps it was a poor warrior and the monk was lucky. I would not like to hazard a guess who would win in a toe-to-toe fight with a warrior and monk. I have a warrior and I have very little hope of him coming through a one to one fight with anything even vaguely even-con. I have never played a monk so I don't know if they feel the same. I doubt it as I know people who have soloed monks. In such a fight I would put my money on the monk.

However you relied on Disarm and Intimidate. Disarm isn't too bad but is nowhere near 100% successful - and it doesn't stop that Paladin casting. And intimidate is notoriously unreliable. The Safehouse Rogue FAQ says:-

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My personal experience and that of those I have talked to supports this. I did once manage to both snare (Dagger from Guk) and Intimidate a mammoth but like a dancing dog the thing is not how well it worked but that it happened at all.

Finally why would a monk use Intimidate as a
when they already have FD which if trained is much, much more reliable.

I didn't think fear worked in PvP but if you say it does then I won't argue. However all melee get /disc fearless which gives them 11 secs of cover and Paladins do get an AA which makes them totally immune to it. Add to this the fact that you have to kill paladins twice and I think the monk has a tough job.

I totally agree there is no "best class" and the only real issue is the prejudices of groups which change with the wind.

Damn somebody cleared my cookies again, that last post was mine. One more time with feeling!



I think the only class any melee could win against is another pure melee class. And I think it would come down to the Doom-like tactics, strafing and stuff like that.

Oh yea and in the original post you say you would wipe the floor with any melee, I hope you meant pure melee. My ranger would kill you without breaking a sweat, you would practically kill yourself on my damage shield if we went toe-to-toe. But a better tactic for me is I land a snare, and you are as good as dead. Ask anyone. It may take me 200 arrows and 30 minutes, but if I got lucky you may not even hit me once. Rangers have disarm too, its never worked for me (ever) but I've got it.

Edited, Fri Jan 23 11:52:30 2004 by Reinman

ok - if you are 40 your'd be 1 year olde rthan me



*sigh* you cannot raise your evade-the-point-ability in that way.

/em speaks very slow pronouncing every word carefully so everyone can follow:
Fact 1: Having charakters running on Firiona Vie costs 8 times the money than on any other server (Discord is dead)
Fact 2: Nobody wastes money so there must be a reason for that decision to pay 8 times on FV

And to compare that with something that maybe is more understandably: If my hubby tells me he bought a german car that costs 8 times what the japanese car costs I would ask him also "So what's the deal?" I wouldn't mind if we can afford it - and neither would anyone else. If one of your kids told you "Daddy I bought a computer that costs 8 times what the one most other people have but I know we can afford it" would'nt you ask "WHY did you pick this one?"?
Thats right - i would ask why you prefer a pub where a coke costs 8 times the usual price even if that coke is still cheaper than a night at the movies :)

especially since you don't sound like someone who likes to waste money even if you can easily afford it.