Typical cost for KEI, Temperence & RezzesFollow

Hi All,

Fairly new to EQ and was wondering what is the typical price to pay someone for casting KEI, Temperence, and Rezzes? Also, I've seen people talking about trading KEI for C2/C3, etc...what does this mean?

Thanks kindly,

Nunab.

OK...so C3 is KEI...makes sense now. But, what is 20pp plus a dot?

Umm...I get the 20pp part, but what's a dot?

Thanks again,

Nunab

Dot is a peridot

Gem merchants sell them. You can find them for 10pp 5gp each with good (125+) charisma and indifferent or better faction. So all in all a temperance will run you around 30pp or so in this example.

Thank you all for your helpful responses.

One last question: what level do you have to be to get KEI cast on you?

Thanks once again,

Nunab.

My main is a 54 Cleric and I cast alot of Temperance. Temp costs me, as the caster, approximately 11pp per cast, which is the cost of the peridot needed.
If someone offers me a peridot, I cast Temp on them with no further payment necessary. If someone doesn't have a 'dot (and they usually don't) I just ask them to cover the cost of the 'dot for the cast. The usual donation is 20pp on my server, but I've had many people offer me 40 or even 50pp.

I always offer 20 - 25pp for KEI, which I keep on pretty much at all times. To receive KEI you must be at a minimum level of 45. I believe the same minimum is true for Virtue, which is the next higher level of HP/AC buff in the Temperance line of clerics. Temperance has no minimum level and is an excellent buff for level 45 and under, addding 800HP and 48AC.

You guys are extremely helpful. OK, so my main is only a measely 29 Druid and I've been mostly grouping up until now. Since I find that I can only play for a few hours during the week (darn kids demand all my attention :)) I have decided to start soloing a bit.

Thus, as a Lvl 29 Druid, what would be the most benificial spells that I can get to assist me in soloing. And, since I am imaging that I can only get Clarity, what is an appropriate donation for this?

Thanks once again!

Nunab.

Enchanters get C1 at level 29. I didnt mention Breeze a level 16 spell that adds 2 mana per tick.

Any enchanter level 16-28 will be happy to get 5pp from thier spell that noone ever wants

a level 29-53enchanter will probly be happy to get 5-10 for C1. I would not bother asking level 54+ as they probly dont have it mem'd. If it were not for the clickie on my pants I don't even know if I can find it in my spell book.

You best bet is to offer your spells for thiers. If you offer SoW and/or Skin the 29-50 chanter I bet 90% of the time you will get a C1 as a fair trade. Untill KEI came out I often traded C1 for SoW. After KEI There was never a druid with out it so my trade strat failed. Maybe viable again.

on vazealle, i usually pay 50p for kei/virtue (i only get the long lasting stuff - love ya vetter!). when casting temp, i rarely sit and auction (only in down time and usually in a newbie area) and more often than not i do it for free. sure, a donation is not refused, but i usually set up a time limit for the freebies (casting temp at xxx spot for the next 5 minutes, hail the frog on the horse). i have had many kind and generous folks take pity on me in my younger levels and i tend to want to pass on the goodness that they showed me. i love buffing on the fly - running past someone at a zone line obviously trying to heal and casting a heal & temp on them just because. if i get a request for a rez and i am in a position to do so, no problem. again, donations are never refused. i was in CoM a week or so ago and there was a TPW. i rezzed the entire group, they paid me 500p. pfft...heck no i did not turn it down! on the same night, i noticed 2 corpses over at the stables...sent the guy a tell (luckily he was on) that he had aout 10 min til his corpses expired & did he need a rez? he apologized profusely for not being able to pay me for the rezzes and i told him np, be safer next time - and temped him too. i'm tired and i tend to babble when i am sleepy. sorry for the long post. point of all of this is: understand that some buffs take components (peridots seem to be the most common lately) - donate what you can if you can to the caster, it simply shows appreciation. and definately pass on the kindness of strangers...you may never see it, but i promise that the level 7 that is siiting at the newbie lift in gfay will greatly appreciate the heal and extra hp/ac you toss his way for no particular reason at all. good luck and happy hunting.

As a paladin, I generally don't bother getting Temp or Virtue (unless someone's MGBing or something). I do carry around dots for my own spells and to give to clerics in my group for such things. They just aren't spells I feel I need to have up before looking for a group. I think most clerics are happy to get the cost of the dot and maybe a bit more 20-30pp is probably about right.

KEI is a completely different story. Basically, I don't put on my LFG flag unless I've got a reasonably fresh KEI/VoG going. So much of what I bring to a group is mana dependant that groups pretty much expect me to have it going (and will notice if I don't). I generally pay 50pp for KEI/VoG. It's well worth it.

I don't really have a strong opinion on rezzes. I haven't paid for one in a very long time, and even before I got my 90% rez, most clerics wouldn't charge anyway. There's kind of an unwritten rule that you don't charge for mana-only spells for classes that get the same line, and that goes double for rez. You never know when that character you just rezzed will be rezzing you someday...


I never ask for any plat for rezzes, but since I'm usually poor I don't refuse a donation if it's reasonable. If some level 20ish guy offers me his last 5gp, I'm not going to accept. I think most folks are happy with 50-100pp for a rez, depending mostly on where they died and how important it is to get the exp back. I'm also one of those people who looks at corpses and sends tells to people if it looks like they just died. Unless I've got somewhere specifically to go, it's just not that big of a deal for me to rez someone if their corpse is right there. Now, if someone is asking me for a rez, and I have to take signficant time out, it's kinda nice to get something for it, but I still leave that up to the individual. Fortunately, even though the actual difference in exp left lost between my rez and a clerics best rez is less then 1% of a level, pretty much no one ever looks for a paladin to rez them, so I've never been spamed with requests.

Rixtar. The reason people are willing to shell out more for KEI then for Virtue is becuase of the usefulness of the spell to them. It has nothing to do with the component cost.

All the classes in the game except three use mana. For the most part, the abilities for all of those classes to do their job is in direct relation to their mana recovery rate.

It's an old argument. What determines your kill rate? Mana pool size? Or mana recovery rate? It's always the second one. Adding more mana helps you with *one* fight. Then it's gone. Increasing the rate directly increases the rate at which you can kill stuff.

When you are soloing or grouping, which are you waiting for? HPs to recover? Or mana to recover? Unless you are one of those three classes that doesn't use mana, it's always mana recovery. Always. Mana converts to HPs. Thus, in a group (and most of the time soloing), all that really matters is mana recovery rate. KEI doubles the mana recovery rate of a 50+ caster when medding. That's huge. It means that at a minimum, that character can cast twice as much mana in the same amount of time as he could without KEI. More then that, in direct relation to how much time he'd normally be able to med (which is one of the reasons mounts are desired btw).


What does virtue get me? A slight increase in AC, which may decrease my total damage taken over time by maybe 1 or 2% (and that's a big maybe). More HPs, that don't matter that much most of the time. Best case, using a true CH (course if I've got a cleric in my group, why am I buying Virtue from you?), you'll maybe increase the CH efficiency by 15-20%. Having more HPs on your tank means fewer CHes over time. But that's the *only* effect. Virtue on the tank does not help my group kill faster. Looked at objectively, if my group had to choose one and only one buff for the entire group, I'd much rather have KEI on the cleric, then Virtue on the tank. It's mathmatically about 3 or 4 times better...


It's an even bigger deal for hybrids. Since I don't get to med (cause I'm fighting most of the time), a KEI may increase my available mana over the course of an adventure by 7 or 8 times. Um.... That's absolutely, mindbogglingly huge. It's the difference between my paladin husbanding his mana and doing the bare minimum needed to keep agro off those casters, versus being able to freely chain stun, interrupt pretty much any spell cast by an NPC, maintain my self regen, keep up my own procs, self heal a bit, and do a ton of other stuff that I simply do not have the mana to do in a fast paced group without a KEI.


If you're having an issue with selling Temp/Virtue, just give anyone who doesn't want to pay for the Dot (plus a bit), the highest non-component spell you've got. Drop a heroism on him instead. Most folks probably wont notice the difference. Those that really need virtue/temp for what they're doing, will notice and will pay you for the spell. I just think that most really don't need it. They just hear it's a great spell, so they get it. I'm frankly amazed that people pay for those spells at all. I've always seen it as something that I use just when in a group with a cleric, and we compensate said cleric with loot for the dots. I never ever go out of my way to get a spell like that. It's just not going to have that big of an effect on your ability to fight.

I don't pay for KEI, it requires only Manna and isn'y exactly worth pay. I mean with zTemp/Virt they need a dot and I'll donate for that because you need pp to buy something for the spell KEI you don't and thats just plain Idiotic. And I'm an ench So I won't charge for my c2 ( I know its lower) But it really dosen't take much skill to make pp with KEI so I refuse to donate for my other characters.

I have quit casting KEI in PoK because of the complainers about paying for it. Folks want me to sit in PoK for hours on end so THEY can get KEI so THEY can kill stuff faster and earn more exp and more plat then dont want to donate to me for my time.

I have had 15 people line up to pay for KEI. I can only get 5 into my group at once. that measn 3 casts back to back to back then get the 5 more that show up while you are getting the 1st 15.

at 30% mana per cast (when I was level 60 and bothered) I would be completley OOM and making my next customer wait while I medded up.

Then you always seem to get 4 singles where you are ony getting 1 person per cast.

Yep it only cost me mana...

+ time to wait there for the next person to come in wanting Crack

+ time to med

+ the plat I am not making by hunting while I am there casting

+ the exp I am not getting while I am there casting

I have been donated anywhere for 4 loaves of summoned bread to 4sp, yes 4 silver, to 150pp to cast that spell.

It all is a game of supply and demand. On days when there are 2-4 chanters hocking thier product then you make 200 pp an hour since you are getting only a portion of the demand.

On days when there is no one casting and 20 people wanting it...

I tell them to thank the folks with the


aditude. They are the reason Enchanters don't waste thier time any more.