Raging Berserker's Helm

Merchant Sell Price: 3g 43s 15c
Merchant Buy Price: 68s 63c
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Item Level: 42

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Raging Berserker's Helm
Binds when picked up
HeadMail
213 Armor
+8 Stamina
+13 Strength
Requires Level 37
Equip: Increases your critical strike rating by 14. 


Helm des tobenden Berserkers Yelmo de rabioso enfurecido Heaume du berserker déchaîné 분노의 광전사 투구 狂暴者头盔 狂暴者頭盔
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30.43% Chance To Drop. (20,944 in 68,829)
Found on 2 creatures in 1 zones (average creature level: 37).This item can only be found on specific creatures.

Scarlet Monastery (15.22% - Hide)

NameLevelDrop RateDrop %
Herod35 - 40 Elite20,941of 68,81030.43%
Herod35 - 40 Elite3of 68,8100.00%


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shammy
Posted: Dec 2nd 2007 4:15pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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i would love this for my enhancement shammy would defently tip the scales in PvP
HI
Posted: Oct 22nd 2007 10:03am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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i got this item like few time and i am bored to got it.. i want shouldersX( but this is pretty helmet and i finally take on "show helmet" action... its like first time.. now i dont enymore run in SM becouse library is only base where i can got something pretty good T: grandhunter, khadgar, 42 dwarf hunter
Its a game ppl calm down
Posted: Sep 25th 2007 4:33am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Just would like to say every single person thats fighting about who should wear this helm or what classes should wear this helm are being childish im a lvl 40 hunter just got my armour for mail proficientcy and i went to SM armoury just for this helm and i was with 2 warriors and a pally and they all said go for it thats how the game should be played everyone should be says i got this helm and everyone else should be saying kewl and talking bout the actual helm not bickering about who should wear it i love it and yazzarh ur a fuking idiot dont bother replying or nething i wont chek back to see whos complaining bout what i have said so whom ever wants this helm be it a hunter or ne other class good luck and i hope u dont run into ignorant ppl like yazzarh gg ppl
Its a game ppl calm down
Posted: Oct 15th 2007 5:19pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Lol. I'm going to have fun replying to this @#%^head.

Big whoop. You got the helm. Most probably, those warrior and the paladin had either already got the helm or were idiots themselves - you would have been KICKED from any group, I can guarantee it, if a warrior/paladin needed it and you rolled as well.

HUNTERS DO NOT DESERVE THIS ITEM. BLOODY OATH.

You will NOT use the strength, you sure as HELL don't need the stamina/armour, and hunters don't rely on crits as much as rogues do!! @#%^ing hell!!

You also are a @#%^ing 10 year old idiot, who has no idea what the word 'ignorant' means. Look the @#%^ing word up you douschebag.

This helm goes to warriors, paladin, FINALLY shamans and as LAST PRIORITY hunters.

Learn 2 spell, also.
Its a game ppl calm down
Posted: Dec 12th 2007 12:19am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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hahahahhhaha.... dur
mind change
Posted: Jul 30th 2007 1:09pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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I was going to pick this up in some sm runs for my hunt just to get some mail even though the stats are crap for him. Luckley my friend hooked me up with the highberg helm(very stupid looking on an orc.

ps: i still give it drops on the looks lol
Posting from New Jersey
helm
Posted: Jun 24th 2007 9:16am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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ive been lookin to buy runs for SM arm and havn't gotten much luck, got 1 and got the shoulders which i need. im a 33 warrior arms warrior atm and lookin for this helm to add to my crit % and its a lot better than Green Iron Helm. ive been adding agi enchants to my new equips instead of stam or str because my crits are nasty for my lvl :p. was runnin VC duo and hit 700+ a few times on crits with HS. also been tryin to get scarlet legguards and have no luck, same with the chestpiece which is a lot rarer.
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helm
Posted: Jul 31st 2007 3:59am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Umm....you say that your crits are "nasty for your level"...agility will do nothing to help increase the amount you crit for. Agility simply increases how many times you'll crit. Personally, although Vengeance DOES proc from crits and not from normal hits, I aim for strength above agility. I prefer to do continual good damage as opposed to COMPLETELY relying on crits.

But that's not to say that I completely ignore agility - I have lots of agility enchants, I just don't focus on it as much.
Arghhh
Posted: Jun 21st 2007 6:45am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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It droped land night...I needed and a holy pally as well,but I won :D
Nice helm
Great Helm
Posted: May 13th 2007 11:49pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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This is an excellent helm for level 37 Warriors and Paladins. I'm level 45 and still using it, but I'm going to drop it very soon because I'm seeing better ones pop up in the "Plate" area. Anyways, it's a wonderful helm, and definately worth getting during your next 3-4 levels.
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minor correction
Posted: Apr 15th 2007 9:54am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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This is not a "hunter's helm." However, STA=pet stamina and AC=Pet armor, so these values are quite important for a hunter.

In a high thirties group, though, it's a little less clear who this really benefits most. It's good for warriors and pallies who plan on spending time in BG before leveling, but they will be dropping it for plate soon. Enhancement shammies benefit most, then it's not bad for a hunter, if the tank plans on leveling.
people getting mad at others
Posted: Mar 13th 2007 5:51pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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it's an item that is worn by a virtual game avatar. you purchased the game, you have the right to use any item you want, without using hacks or cheats. so dont tell people they are dumb for taking or wanting it. it looks cool, im a hunter and i plan on getting it. be reasonable though; if someone else in your group might use it to better potential, why not let them have it.
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people getting mad at others
Posted: Mar 16th 2007 7:17pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Rofl....you get this item when:

1) There is not a warrior in your group (even if the warrior is 5 levels below you [for instance you're 39 and he's 34], he gets priority)
2) There is not a paladin in your group (regardless of spec, see above)
3) There is no shaman in your group (but only if they're enhancement [probably]. Armoury them if you think they're lying)


THEN you may ask if you, as a hunter, can have it. But only then.

As to your comment that you should be allowed an item if you want it...

That is NOT the case. The game was made for the enjoyment of players, and if any of the RULES above have been broken, then one of those people is not going to be pleased. If you want this item that badly, get to like level 52 and just solo SM. Then you can get it as many times as you want.
people getting mad at others
Posted: Mar 23rd 2007 7:16pm | Edited: Mar 23rd 2007 7:22pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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I 100% disagree.

1. Who are you to say that everything is to be decided to you.
2. Your rules, while logical, aren't agreeable. Every person that contributes to that group is entitled to it just as much as any other class. IE- The rogue that rolls on Jinxed Hoodoo Skin pieces.
3. You're not special. Just because you can put it to better application than other people doesn't give you the right to roll with priority over them.
4. Hunters enjoy Stam and Crit Chance as much as you do. QQ
5. I hope with all of my being that a hunter out-rolled you on this.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2007 10:22pm by aahvrsix
people getting mad at others
Posted: Mar 27th 2007 7:35am | Edited: Mar 27th 2007 7:38am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Well, I'm going to completely disprove all of your arguments, and as a side note I will say thats you are either on a gay role playing server or have never been in a raiding guild, and thus have no idea what you're talking about.

1) I'm not saying that you have to abide by those 'rules' as I've called them, only that you would be inclined to do so. They aren't exactly rules per se, but more a code of morals in what to loot.

2) Yes, my rules are logical. Yes, my rules are agreeable unless you have idiots in your group/guild. If so, leave the guild/ kick the person from the group/guild. No, not everyone who played is entitled to it, and that's that. Whenever I do instances, right before the boss, I actually say "Does anyone want item aaaa?" If someone less deserving than me says yes, I will either come to a compromise with them or change to master looter/kick them as soon as they need it (I'm pretty sure that if you kick someone whilst rolling, even if they win they don't get the item). Simple as that - paladins/warriors should get this over hunters. The smart hunters are the ones who don't say anything when I say the above question, because they know I have more of a right to it then them.

3) I think I answered this a bit in part 2 too. And yes, you dipsh*t, if I can put it to better use than another class, I GET BLOODY PRIORITY ON THAT FRICKING ITEM, unless of course I've already won like 2 other blues or something.

4) Zomg. That's all there is to say. Seriously, you might enjoy stamina and crit chance, but that doesn't mean you get them. In fact, almost all the time it means you DON'T get them. Stamina is not for hunters. Period. Learn to play a hunter, and get your pet to bloody tank so you don't take damage. And hunters don't really have any use for crit chance either, imo. You have mail armour at best, and you won't be able to get a mob off YOU (not your pet) if you've got the aggro from it. Paladin/warrior = no problem, just whip out shield and we've got plate armour.

5) No, it was a shaman who outrolled me. Unfortunately, I was in his group, so I couldn't do anything about it. Though from now on I never join groups unless I'm leader, so I can dictate what people get and don't get.

Edited, Mar 27th 2007 10:38am by Yazzarh
people getting mad at others
Posted: Apr 12th 2007 8:47pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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you in and of yourself are the type of player that 90% of the people who play this game hate and despise. and i am glad a shaman outrolled you... oh and go play a hunter to 70 and then tell me that hunters don't want crit chance gg noob

and if you want to talk sh*t... i've been in 4 raiding guilds (and was an AGL in one of them)... one disolved because our guild leader felt that he was more important than the guild as a whole... much like you seem to think you are more important than anyone else in the game... you are the reason people leave guilds you pompous, self-righteous ass.
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people getting mad at others
Posted: May 7th 2007 2:02am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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No, I'm not the person people despise and hate. The @#%^ing ninjas who take items like this are the people ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of people hate.

I wouldn't be surprised if you are one of the ninjas.

You are telling me to roll a hunter to 70...and yet in your sig, you list your chars, and not one is a character who is 70. For the love of peace, your highest hunter is a @#%^ing LEVEL 23. Please learn to @#%^ING play, and don't argue with people who know FAR more about the game then you could even hope to know. I have a lvl 70 human paladin, and havea jointly owned lvl 67 troll hunter. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, also considering your highest paladin is a lvl 16, meaning you have no idea how better this would be on a paladin. For a final nail in the coffin, your main is currently a lvl 43 draenei shaman. I have about 10 alts higher levels than that.

Also: please go to google define, or look up the meaning of 'pompous' and 'self-righteous'. You have no idea what either mean, otherwise you wouldn't have used them in this context.

All the guilds you have been in have probably been very sh*t. What, have you been doing UBRS or Strat or something?? Good job!!! Perhaps in a couple of years you might progress up to ZG!!

MANY people can understand the point of view I'm coming from - I'm not saying at higher levels hunters don't need crit chance, but at level FORTY they certainly don't.

So please go away, and cry to your dad.
people getting mad at others
Posted: Jun 11th 2007 11:58pm | Edited: Jun 12th 2007 12:22am | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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i'm gonna break this down to make it easier on you...

UBRS RAIDING GUILD:
yea you are so right on the UBRS thing... i mean...
Zandalarian Hero Medallion can be gotten in DM... oh yea and all 8 of the Nightslayer pieces drop in strat and the Bloodfang pieces drop in UBRS right? oh and the arcanist and netherwind sets also drop there too right?
(No i didn't go after the Naxx stuff... work and real life cut into my playing time until shortly before the expansion came out)

NOT HAVING A 70 LISTED IN MY SIG/GAME KNOWLEDGE:
Since when do you have any clue how much i know about this game? i know plenty of people who don't have epics and play their class better than anyone else i've ever met in game. Skill isn't the only thing that will stop people from getting to 70 or getting epics... plenty of people have real lives, with real life demands out side of this game...

and just bc the characters aren't in my sig doesn't mean i haven't played a level 70 hunter... they just aren't on my account (i have filled in for friends on their mains bc they were unable to run).

YOUR EVER SO IMPORTANT PALADIN NEEDING LVL 37 MAIL:
oh and something that can be replaced in 3 levels is so important for a paladin to have? oh yea it's so important for them...

"MANY people can understand the point of view I'm coming from":
also if you haven't noticed... not MANY hell not even a few people have agreed with what you have said here...

MY NEED OF A DICTIONARY:
and i believe it is you who needs to get the dictionary... and the college education to understand not only what the words i used mean by why they were chosen...

American Heritage Dictionary - pom·pous (pŏm'pəs)
adj.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
dignity:
1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
(as in knowing you are right and everyone else is wrong)

self-right·eous
adj.

1.confident of one's own righteousness [good, honest, fair, right], esp. when
intolerant of the opinions of others.

(as in thinking you know all and your unwillingness to see that no one agrees with your "rules"... which you then later said weren't rules... either they are or they aren't... maybe you should pick up a dictionary and look up the word rule.)

and adults don't go crying to their dad... they listen to/read what their dissenters have to say and then they reply.

oh and i'll save you the trouble this time:
American Heritage Dictionary - dis·sent·er
n.
1. One who dissents.
dis·sent
intr.v.
1. To differ in opinion or feeling; disagree.

you can thank me later.

Edited, Jun 12th 2007 3:22am by turtl
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Abracadabra - lvl 70 Gnome Mage
Khlulhloo - lvl 70 Draenei Shaman
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people getting mad at others
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I'm going to reply as best and as succinctly as I can so that your mutated brain will finally understand what I'm trying to say. I'll jump around a little because it's actually annoying me that there are people who are stupid enough to STILL think this is a hunter helm.

1) Just because you have played a 70 hunter does NOT mean you know all. I have jointly played that troll hunter I have mentioned (now 70) ALL THE WAY, and so I know EXACTLY what stats a hunter wants. You cannot disagree with me there - I am right.

2) Further...about 2 months or so ago, when I first posted my reply, you had no 60's or 70's whatsoever. Your highest was a 43 shaman, which over-exaggerated your idiocy at trying to argue with me (you obviously knew nothing at the time). I'm guessing that you bought all your higher level characters, because in that short amount of time I'm doubting you could have levelled that many characters to such higher levels. GG at pretending to know everything.

3) Ever heard of PvP? This is the main argument why many people think paladins/warriors shouldn't get this helm, because "We'll be getting plate in 3 levels time". Funnily enough, for Paladins/Warriors, level 30-39 is the BEST bracket for PvP. Perhaps they might actually ant this helm for PvP then, you douchebag. @#%^ I hate idiots like you.

4) Admittantly, not many people here have agreed with me, possibly because the people who have agreed with me have seen their/my arguments logically constructed from their/my point of view, and they felt no need to add their own. Obviously people who dissent with me will reply.

On a side note, I asked my guild if hunters should need on this item. Within 10 seconds, I had exactly 29 replies saying something along the lines of NO THEY @#%^ING SHOULDN'T, with 2 replies saying they should definitely need it. Those two people were, as you would have it, a shaman and a hunter, and in about another 10 seconds were kicked from the guild. You fail bigtime.

5) I said somewhere in my first post that those were the rules of looting...and indeed, in my opinion they are, and I kick anyone who disagrees with me. Which isn't very often now thankfully, because people at 70 have learnt what being in a group means. I probably used 'rules' because I couldn't be bothered writing out "ethics of looting" or "morals of looting", but nevertheless that's the general gist of that word's meaning.

6) I noticed most of your reply was simply dictionary definitions....and further, that you simply define the words without justifying why you've used them.

I'll explain to you what they really mean. Notice that I don't actually need a dictionary (funny that you actually needed one), and can define them straight off.

'Pompous' is a synonym for 'arrogant', and often has rather posh conotations. I was not being arrogant nor posh in any of my responses. You can't really call me 'ignorant' either, because I knew exactly what I was talking about.

'Self-righteous' is a synonym for narcissism, which means that I would be very full of myself. Quite on the contrary, as in my posts I'm more degrading your sh*t-house opinion as opposed to showing how awesome my own posts are.

You talk about being an adult...yet none of your argument showed any sign of maturity. I may have gone overboard with the swearing, but your arguments are worse than I would have expected from a 10 year old.

So Good Game, and please Shut the Fùck Up.
people getting mad at others
Posted: Jul 13th 2007 6:54pm | Edited: Jul 13th 2007 6:58pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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i'm done with this "discussion"... it was never really worth my time to begin with.

however i do want to say two final things before i leave this be... my first character reached 60 the summer after the game was released - that would be the Nelf rogue... played from level 1-60 by me and only me.
my second character to reach 60, the mage, hit 60 no more than 3 months later (also only played by myself). so as far as having no 60s when you posted your original comment, you are mistaken I had 2 60s and had completed my T1 set on the rogue well before Naxx even existed. Which occurred long before your post.

and as far as the dictionary goes... you told me to look them up:

"Also: please go to google define, or look up the meaning of 'pompous' and 'self-righteous'. You have no idea what either mean, otherwise you wouldn't have used them in this context."

so i did and figured i would share what i found with you

Edited, Jul 13th 2007 9:58pm by turtl
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Mirtis - lvl 80 Human Death Knight
Abracadabra - lvl 70 Gnome Mage
Khlulhloo - lvl 70 Draenei Shaman
Turtl - lvl 66 Night Elf Rogue

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people getting mad at others
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Lol. I find it funny now that you can't even argue that this helm is for hunters anymore, as I've completely shut you down. LoL.

Yes, I told you to go to google define - the purpose of that was to perhaps make you understand what the meanings of those words were, not simply to sprout out some definitions.

Lastly, Good Job. You have Tier 1 "well before Naxx even came out". To put this is perspective for you:

It took me quite a while to get to 60. Did I care? No. Sure, almost everyone I knew had gotten to 60 as far as they could. FDid I care? No. Whilst they struggled to make money upon reaching 60, I'd calmly levelled my profs up to 300 well before 60, and was making BUCKETLOADS of gold when things like the Arcanite Reaper and the Dark Iron Pulverizer (plans/weapon) still sold for sh*tloads of gold. Before 60, I'd already gotten full Tier 0, and by 59-60 had upgraded it all to Tier 0.5.
Once reaching 60, it didn't take me too long to find myself an MC raiding guild, and I got myself most of Tier 1 and 1 piece of Tier 2 (when Tier 2 still dropped in MC), before BWL came out. I finished off my Tier 1, and got my full Tier 2 not much later. Once AQ came, I got Tier 2.5, but once Naxx came (being a ret pally), I didn't bother getting Tier 3.

I can say I have more experience than you.
people getting mad at others
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Blackwing Lair was released with patch 1.6, while teir 0.5 was released with patch 1.10.

So if
Quote:
"Before 60, I'd already gotten full Tier 0, and by 59-60 had upgraded it all to Tier 0.5.
Once reaching 60, it didn't take me too long to find myself an MC raiding guild, and I got myself most of Tier 1 and 1 piece of Tier 2 (when Tier 2 still dropped in MC), before BWL came out."
is correct, you hit 60 multiple months before 59-60.
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Check my signature.












That's all.
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people getting mad at others
Posted: May 12th 2007 9:37pm | Edited: Jun 5th 2007 12:24pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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Maybe we should name you God ... you seem so sure of yourself !

The fact is that no matter what you say here, it won't change
a thing in the game itself. The loot policy is to be decided by
the group, not the leader ! It's not a monarchy but a team.

And by the way, stop insulting peoples ... it doesn't accomplish
nothing and make you look like an assh*le.

Good day !

Edited, Jun 5th 2007 3:24pm by Derelick
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people getting mad at others
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i agree with derelick and turtl.. just because its your opinion doesnt mean its right .. lol if some1 has a different opinion u have a breakdown. (yazarh guy)
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Chickkunwing- 19 night elf hunter-Marks (twink)
bunch of other low lvls

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Teh Helm
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This helmet isnt great for hunters imo, sure it has a crit but hunters dont really need the agility. this helm should be paladin/warrior prio then shaman next since the overall stats help them the most
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Teh Helm
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You are an absolute f***ing idiot. Had you have been in my group or guild, I would've kicked you then and there, even if you'd been saying that sarcastically.

I'll look at the four classes which can use this, and then explain why they should/shouldn't use this.

Hunter:

This has absolutely no agility, which almost IMMEDIATELY makes it bad for a hunter. Further, it's mail; paladin and warriors get priority a thousand times over over this before a hunter. The hunter, upon reaching forty will likely be gradually tuning down his sm runs, and will probably be heading over to Razorfen Downs or Maraudon. Therefore, they'll probably find way better helms which actually suit a hunter as opposed to this.

Another point which makes this bad for hunters: it has decent armour value. Gear with high armour points under almsot ALL circumstances should not be given to a hunter, as they will have no use for it at all. If you're one of those idiotic hunters who say "I dual wield and I'm a melee hunter" (although I don't like saying this to any class), f***ing well learn to play your f***ing class. YOU HAVE A GODDAM PET FOR WOW'S SAKE!!! Use it to bloody well tank for you - in terms of efficiency, you will ALWAYS do more damage from your ranged attacks then from your crappy melee attacks. End of story, this should NEVER be given to a hunter, unless there are
a) not paladins, warriors or shamans in the group.
b) everyone has agreed in your group that you should get it, as opposed to disenchanting it and rolling on the items created.

Shaman:

There will of course be some whiners who say that this helm should be given to a shaman, and yes, they have ALOT more right to it than a hunter - but over even 1 paladin or warrior, the shaman shuld not get it. After personally getting beaten by a level 37 shaman (I was a level 38 paladin), I can tell you it REALLY sh*ts off pallies/warrs who get beaten on helmslike this by a less-deserving class. Big whoop, they're an enhancement shammy - that doesn't mean in ANY regard that they need this gear more tha even holy pallies and port/arms warriors. Strength will always be better used on the above to classes trhan a shaman, and stamina will ALWAYS be better on a paladin then a shaman. (I personally was gonna kick that shaman, but I was in his group, not vice versa).

Paladin and Warrior:

I personally would say that there is equal argument for both sides as to who should get this, and so in my opinion it revolves down to spec - if the paladin is retribution, then he should probably get this helm above a protection warrior, or a fury warrior. Holy paladins get the last dibs on this item, then prot paladins, prot warriors, fury warriors and then ret pallies and arms warriors coming in equal. Neither of those two specs really has any right over the other.

NB: I also noticed that someone was saying that paladins need spirit - you are an idiot as well. Spirit is perhaps one of the more useless stats of the game, as really only mages, priests, druids and shamans need it. Paladins DEFINITELY don't need it (even less than agility)
Teh Helm
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hunters get AP and crit from Agi. this helm gives crit which balances the loss of Agi. yes the 8 str. is useless so if the helm isnt much of an upgrade for the hunter the shams/wars get precedence. the Stamina is just as good for hunters. if you truly think hunts don't need ehalth you shoudl just quit. ALL CLASSES NEED STAM. no matter what you say its true. yes main tnaks get precedence on it but not your DPS shams, pals, wars which are who should be rolling. For me I would look at it as which ever class gets the most improvement from the item not some stupid idea that soem have about items that are put in place to benefit themselves.
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I disagree. Sure, all classes may WANT stam - does that mean they should have it? No. A mage should NEVER focus on getting stam gear if they can get intellect. Classes like mages are MEANT to stay at a distance and so NOT get hit, and so if ranged classes focus too much on stam, they nerf their damage potential too much.

No - just because this helm gives crit does NOT balance the loss of agility. Is 20 agility better than +20 crit rating? Yes. DEFINITELY yes. Sure, the crit may be nice - but a fair amount of abilities which hunters use to stay away are arcane based, like arcane/concussive shot, and so aren't based off melee crit chance. Unless of course you're just using Autoshoot, in which case you're a noob hunter.

The 8 strength is MORE than useless. It's a DETRIMENT to hunters, as if they get this helm, it persuades them to go into melee combat and subsequently get raped, \spit'd on, and then insulted by all the players near them of their faction. Absolutely pointless to a hunter.

The high armour value is also bad. Hunters CERTAINLY don't need armour, becaue in PvP, although the armour value gives armour to your pet, no-one EVER attacks your pet - they attack you.

Even in PvE, you could find a green mail helm, with less armour and WHICH ACTUALLY HAS SOME AGILITY ON IT, which would benefit you more.
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oh btw... shamans get the exact same benefits from strength that warriors do...
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double post

Edited, Apr 12th 2007 11:54pm by turtl
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Shamans
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To all the naabs crying about a shaman "ninja'ing" this off them... Ever played a Shaman? Easiest way to level is by going Enhancement... Hang on a second, isn't that talent tree based entirely around melee combat? Why yes! Yes it is! So wouldn't all the stats on this helm be right on the button for an enhancement Shaman? Why yes! Yes they would!
Just because you didn't get something you needed doesn't mean the person who got it didn't need it. If an elemental Shaman rolled need on this helm, fine, tear them a preverbial new one, but if they are enhancement spec, as many young shamans are, then they need this item as much as ANY Warrior or Paladin or Hunter. End of! Stop complaining & think about other peoples needs for once in your lives.
Got one :D
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Got a group last night, went in, made it through, and this dropped :D

Asked group if I could need it (38 Paladin), was with 40+ Warrior, 40 Druid, and 30 Druid. Everyone was okay with it.

Absoutly love it :)

Best group i've worked with, we didn't really have any problems going through the armory.
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this dropped from herod i was outbid by a 48 HUNTER who said he was gonna sell it until he saw the BoP.:( Im so freaking mad!
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bad pally
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first of all, this helm is not worth a warrior OR pally getting, cause in 3 lvls they can start wearing plate

and 2nd, LF is not worth rolling on either, pallys roll on valor B/c its far superior to LF, i should know i play a pally (60) on lightbringer, teddypally


you obviously dont know what the hell you are talking about. just because you can use plate in 3 levels doesnt mean anything. there are mail items in the upper 30's that are better then plate items in the low 40 and some mail items later in the game that are better then the average plate item.

plus you must suck as a pally. Pallys need stamina, intell, and spirit. in the end game they are healers. you dont need any strength or agility or critical strike, none of that sh*t. give that to the warriors and you might actually get somewhere
bad pally
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huh....that's strange.... i didnt know that pre 40 was end game... sooo strange... oh right... most pallies level ret.... you know... clunky two hander... hoping seal of command proc's. you're right though.. spirit... for a flash heal spamming class.... GG
not just warriors
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im a shaman and a warrior let me have it because he said "i dont need cause i wear plate in three lvls" :P

besides im enhance so i need that stamina and critical strike
listen uP!!!
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ok u guys need to quit bein all "i no eveything u noobs" and listen...ever heard of a 39 twink warrior? so stop saying no1 needs it cuz they can wear plate
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fury obviously
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right, this helm is blatantly meant for a fury warrior... end of, it even drops off a mob that looks like a bloody fury warrior and has similar abilities. so to all those shamans who think they should roll on it... no... no you shoudnt... if there is a warrior or hunter in the group they should get it... shaman... just no.
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umm.... Paladin
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fury obviously
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umm.... Paladin?
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fury obviously
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Obviously if there is a Shaman in the party there will be no Paly. At least until the expansion comes out. But I agree, if someone in the party can use it right now, as an upgrade(warrior/paly), it should go to them first, if they dont need it, then roll by all others who can use. If no others would wear, all roll for sell/DE. If the party includes a 40+ Shammy, Hunter, they should probably be allowed to roll. /humbleopinion.
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Excellent helm to complete the scarlet set. Finially got it after running into a few unfortionate 'ninjas' shall I say. Anyway, if you are searching for this, look no farther than the Armory. It looks sweet!

Anyone want to sell the boots?! ^_^
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nice
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I'm a level 36 tauren shaman, going to get this baby for my l40 set. I already got the Leggings since no one in the group could/would be able to wear mail. I jsut got the shoulde,r so I'm lookign forward to this helm adn the ravager for the last 2 pieces.

And it looks better than the dumbass little leather caps I can wear
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yes this helm is from SM i got it off herod my 2nd run to armor
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Ooops forgot
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The Ninja was a Shaman...
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so a class that could use the helm took the helm?

as a rogue what were you going to do w/ it?
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Litterlay just did SM and killed Herod and his little goons...Since everyone i was partied with couldn't wear this helm and im a rogue we all rolled... I rolled highest and won but the god damn Ninja Bastard took it and was like "Oh i didnt know that i couldn't push the botton" Wow what an ass...
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I agree
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I think it looks awesome on my Gnome. But i can see Yunoh's point you never wanna cover pigtails. *drool* Oh yea it does to come from SM not RFD you CRACKHEADS!!!!!
Warrior :P
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This is a warrior Item for the Pallys out there thinking the want to roll on it like the one that did it to me... Grrr
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RE: Warrior :P
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first of all, this helm is not worth a warrior OR pally getting, cause in 3 lvls they can start wearing plate

and 2nd, LF is not worth rolling on either, pallys roll on valor B/c its far superior to LF, i should know i play a pally (60) on lightbringer, teddypally
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RE: Warrior :P
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I feel the pain, trust me. I've ran Armoury about ten times now for this. Dropped twice. Both times a Pally need rolled and beat me.

I'm going to start need rolling on blatant paladin items. Come here, Lightforge Set!
RE: Warrior :P
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Wow, what kind of messed up pallies are on your server? Not like I want to know. I just went thru SM about 10 times with my 60 Paladin for the entire set for a warrior friend of mine. He has the whole BoE/BoP set (including chest and leggings), tabard, helm, shoulders, shield, that 2h axe, and he still is lvl 37. Started running him thru at lvl 35... needless to say, he's one happy warrior. Oh, if you know of a good 1h that will go well for him in defensive stance with that lvl 39 shield that the commander drops, let me know.
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RE: Warrior :P
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shoot, it's been forever since I checked my posts. Warlexis, I have nothing against pallies, I merely get a little angry, gamewise, at the paladins that don't look after their fellow warriors first. We can heal ourselves, they can't... if we're good enough pallies, most warriors will return the favor and run you through to get yours... however times you need to, so you can get whatever item. Those items are great for lvl 39 BG, but there are items that are more useful to us, if it has stamina and intellect and it's mail (sub 40) or plate (post 40), then you know that's our main target, unless we can't find better. I've yet to meet a hotheaded, arrogant warrior that doesn't return the favor if you look out for them first. They're the major tankers in the instances, we back them up with heals, and pull the aggro if it's too much for healing... otherwise, we owe them a debt of gratitude.
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RE: Warrior :P
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funny.. hard to find a paladin that heals on my server at my level lol
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RE: Warrior :P
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Dude wtf is the deal, imean this item is a warrior/paladin helm if you think not, then tell me a better helm, because Sm is the closest instance,(idont wanna go to RFD) to get a new helm because some warrior thinks he needs it far more than ido, it benefits both classes, therefore both should be able to roll, and besides, who cares if we use plate at 40, we arent going to find very good helms taht soon, and its worth it even if the helm only lasts 3 lvls, so idont know what you have against paladins, but all the herod gear works just as well, and should be able to be rolled by both classes, especially the axe, ive seen more pallies put better use to it then warriors. My 2c
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RE: Warrior :P
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Whay isn't it a warrior/paladin/shaman helm?
How?
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how do this look on troll?
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rawr
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nope this helm is definately from SM, not RFD.

Icemetal Barbute is from RFD.
the helm
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This helm dont drop in SM its in RFD a instance in barrons .
*grr*
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ok, im very pissed of

I tried to farm this helmet tonight

and all ive got were

8 x Shoulder
1 x Ravager
*grr*
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sry 4 double post.. ignore it
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ok, im very pissed of

I tried to farm this helmet tonight

and all ive got were

8 x Shoulder
1 x Ravager

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2 x Scarlet Leggings
Posted: Feb 22nd 2005 12:37pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this
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does anyone have a pick of this on a dwarf
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Nah... looks better on a Gnome ;)
IT DOES NOT!!!
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I'm a gnome and I have this helm hidden. Makes me look like a bobblehead. ><

And it removes my pigtails too...
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Those aren't pink.
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