30.43% Chance To Drop. (20,944 in 68,829)
Found on 2 creatures in 1 zones (average creature level: 37).This item can only be found on specific creatures.
Scarlet Monastery (15.22% - Hide)
| Name | Level | Drop Rate | Drop % |
|---|
| Herod | 35 - 40 Elite | 20,941of 68,810 | 30.43% |
| Herod | 35 - 40 Elite | 3of 68,810 | 0.00% |
Big whoop. You got the helm. Most probably, those warrior and the paladin had either already got the helm or were idiots themselves - you would have been KICKED from any group, I can guarantee it, if a warrior/paladin needed it and you rolled as well.
HUNTERS DO NOT DESERVE THIS ITEM. BLOODY OATH.
You will NOT use the strength, you sure as HELL don't need the stamina/armour, and hunters don't rely on crits as much as rogues do!! @#%^ing hell!!
You also are a @#%^ing 10 year old idiot, who has no idea what the word 'ignorant' means. Look the @#%^ing word up you douschebag.
This helm goes to warriors, paladin, FINALLY shamans and as LAST PRIORITY hunters.
Learn 2 spell, also.
ps: i still give it drops on the looks lol
Chickunwingz- 46 human warrior-Arms(main)
Chickkunwing- 19 night elf hunter-Marks (twink)
bunch of other low lvls
16 gnome mage- fire (29 twink)
"In the real world, i am a simple geologist. But in here... I am Falcore.. lvl 2 hunter.. defender of the alliance." -Randy - stan's dad - south park
"Screw you guys... I'm goin' home!"
But that's not to say that I completely ignore agility - I have lots of agility enchants, I just don't focus on it as much.
Nice helm
Nathelas ~ Uldum Server
In a high thirties group, though, it's a little less clear who this really benefits most. It's good for warriors and pallies who plan on spending time in BG before leveling, but they will be dropping it for plate soon. Enhancement shammies benefit most, then it's not bad for a hunter, if the tank plans on leveling.
Blackwing Lair: Bangor the priest, Evangor the hunter
1) There is not a warrior in your group (even if the warrior is 5 levels below you [for instance you're 39 and he's 34], he gets priority)
2) There is not a paladin in your group (regardless of spec, see above)
3) There is no shaman in your group (but only if they're enhancement [probably]. Armoury them if you think they're lying)
THEN you may ask if you, as a hunter, can have it. But only then.
As to your comment that you should be allowed an item if you want it...
That is NOT the case. The game was made for the enjoyment of players, and if any of the RULES above have been broken, then one of those people is not going to be pleased. If you want this item that badly, get to like level 52 and just solo SM. Then you can get it as many times as you want.
1. Who are you to say that everything is to be decided to you.
2. Your rules, while logical, aren't agreeable. Every person that contributes to that group is entitled to it just as much as any other class. IE- The rogue that rolls on Jinxed Hoodoo Skin pieces.
3. You're not special. Just because you can put it to better application than other people doesn't give you the right to roll with priority over them.
4. Hunters enjoy Stam and Crit Chance as much as you do. QQ
5. I hope with all of my being that a hunter out-rolled you on this.
Edited, Mar 23rd 2007 10:22pm by aahvrsix
1) I'm not saying that you have to abide by those 'rules' as I've called them, only that you would be inclined to do so. They aren't exactly rules per se, but more a code of morals in what to loot.
2) Yes, my rules are logical. Yes, my rules are agreeable unless you have idiots in your group/guild. If so, leave the guild/ kick the person from the group/guild. No, not everyone who played is entitled to it, and that's that. Whenever I do instances, right before the boss, I actually say "Does anyone want item aaaa?" If someone less deserving than me says yes, I will either come to a compromise with them or change to master looter/kick them as soon as they need it (I'm pretty sure that if you kick someone whilst rolling, even if they win they don't get the item). Simple as that - paladins/warriors should get this over hunters. The smart hunters are the ones who don't say anything when I say the above question, because they know I have more of a right to it then them.
3) I think I answered this a bit in part 2 too. And yes, you dipsh*t, if I can put it to better use than another class, I GET BLOODY PRIORITY ON THAT FRICKING ITEM, unless of course I've already won like 2 other blues or something.
4) Zomg. That's all there is to say. Seriously, you might enjoy stamina and crit chance, but that doesn't mean you get them. In fact, almost all the time it means you DON'T get them. Stamina is not for hunters. Period. Learn to play a hunter, and get your pet to bloody tank so you don't take damage. And hunters don't really have any use for crit chance either, imo. You have mail armour at best, and you won't be able to get a mob off YOU (not your pet) if you've got the aggro from it. Paladin/warrior = no problem, just whip out shield and we've got plate armour.
5) No, it was a shaman who outrolled me. Unfortunately, I was in his group, so I couldn't do anything about it. Though from now on I never join groups unless I'm leader, so I can dictate what people get and don't get.
Edited, Mar 27th 2007 10:38am by Yazzarh
and if you want to talk sh*t... i've been in 4 raiding guilds (and was an AGL in one of them)... one disolved because our guild leader felt that he was more important than the guild as a whole... much like you seem to think you are more important than anyone else in the game... you are the reason people leave guilds you pompous, self-righteous ass.
Mirtis - lvl 80 Human Death Knight
Abracadabra - lvl 70 Gnome Mage
Khlulhloo - lvl 70 Draenei Shaman
Turtl - lvl 66 Night Elf Rogue
and many... many other alts
I wouldn't be surprised if you are one of the ninjas.
You are telling me to roll a hunter to 70...and yet in your sig, you list your chars, and not one is a character who is 70. For the love of peace, your highest hunter is a @#%^ing LEVEL 23. Please learn to @#%^ING play, and don't argue with people who know FAR more about the game then you could even hope to know. I have a lvl 70 human paladin, and havea jointly owned lvl 67 troll hunter. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, also considering your highest paladin is a lvl 16, meaning you have no idea how better this would be on a paladin. For a final nail in the coffin, your main is currently a lvl 43 draenei shaman. I have about 10 alts higher levels than that.
Also: please go to google define, or look up the meaning of 'pompous' and 'self-righteous'. You have no idea what either mean, otherwise you wouldn't have used them in this context.
All the guilds you have been in have probably been very sh*t. What, have you been doing UBRS or Strat or something?? Good job!!! Perhaps in a couple of years you might progress up to ZG!!
MANY people can understand the point of view I'm coming from - I'm not saying at higher levels hunters don't need crit chance, but at level FORTY they certainly don't.
So please go away, and cry to your dad.
UBRS RAIDING GUILD:
yea you are so right on the UBRS thing... i mean...
Zandalarian Hero Medallion can be gotten in DM... oh yea and all 8 of the Nightslayer pieces drop in strat and the Bloodfang pieces drop in UBRS right? oh and the arcanist and netherwind sets also drop there too right?
(No i didn't go after the Naxx stuff... work and real life cut into my playing time until shortly before the expansion came out)
NOT HAVING A 70 LISTED IN MY SIG/GAME KNOWLEDGE:
Since when do you have any clue how much i know about this game? i know plenty of people who don't have epics and play their class better than anyone else i've ever met in game. Skill isn't the only thing that will stop people from getting to 70 or getting epics... plenty of people have real lives, with real life demands out side of this game...
and just bc the characters aren't in my sig doesn't mean i haven't played a level 70 hunter... they just aren't on my account (i have filled in for friends on their mains bc they were unable to run).
YOUR EVER SO IMPORTANT PALADIN NEEDING LVL 37 MAIL:
oh and something that can be replaced in 3 levels is so important for a paladin to have? oh yea it's so important for them...
"MANY people can understand the point of view I'm coming from":
also if you haven't noticed... not MANY hell not even a few people have agreed with what you have said here...
MY NEED OF A DICTIONARY:
and i believe it is you who needs to get the dictionary... and the college education to understand not only what the words i used mean by why they were chosen...
American Heritage Dictionary - pom·pous (pŏm'pəs)
adj.
1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity;
dignity:
1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
(as in knowing you are right and everyone else is wrong)
self-right·eous
adj.
1.confident of one's own righteousness [good, honest, fair, right], esp. when
intolerant of the opinions of others.
(as in thinking you know all and your unwillingness to see that no one agrees with your "rules"... which you then later said weren't rules... either they are or they aren't... maybe you should pick up a dictionary and look up the word rule.)
and adults don't go crying to their dad... they listen to/read what their dissenters have to say and then they reply.
oh and i'll save you the trouble this time:
American Heritage Dictionary - dis·sent·er
n.
1. One who dissents.
dis·sent
intr.v.
1. To differ in opinion or feeling; disagree.
you can thank me later.
Edited, Jun 12th 2007 3:22am by turtl
Mirtis - lvl 80 Human Death Knight
Abracadabra - lvl 70 Gnome Mage
Khlulhloo - lvl 70 Draenei Shaman
Turtl - lvl 66 Night Elf Rogue
and many... many other alts
1) Just because you have played a 70 hunter does NOT mean you know all. I have jointly played that troll hunter I have mentioned (now 70) ALL THE WAY, and so I know EXACTLY what stats a hunter wants. You cannot disagree with me there - I am right.
2) Further...about 2 months or so ago, when I first posted my reply, you had no 60's or 70's whatsoever. Your highest was a 43 shaman, which over-exaggerated your idiocy at trying to argue with me (you obviously knew nothing at the time). I'm guessing that you bought all your higher level characters, because in that short amount of time I'm doubting you could have levelled that many characters to such higher levels. GG at pretending to know everything.
3) Ever heard of PvP? This is the main argument why many people think paladins/warriors shouldn't get this helm, because "We'll be getting plate in 3 levels time". Funnily enough, for Paladins/Warriors, level 30-39 is the BEST bracket for PvP. Perhaps they might actually ant this helm for PvP then, you douchebag. @#%^ I hate idiots like you.
4) Admittantly, not many people here have agreed with me, possibly because the people who have agreed with me have seen their/my arguments logically constructed from their/my point of view, and they felt no need to add their own. Obviously people who dissent with me will reply.
On a side note, I asked my guild if hunters should need on this item. Within 10 seconds, I had exactly 29 replies saying something along the lines of NO THEY @#%^ING SHOULDN'T, with 2 replies saying they should definitely need it. Those two people were, as you would have it, a shaman and a hunter, and in about another 10 seconds were kicked from the guild. You fail bigtime.
5) I said somewhere in my first post that those were the rules of looting...and indeed, in my opinion they are, and I kick anyone who disagrees with me. Which isn't very often now thankfully, because people at 70 have learnt what being in a group means. I probably used 'rules' because I couldn't be bothered writing out "ethics of looting" or "morals of looting", but nevertheless that's the general gist of that word's meaning.
6) I noticed most of your reply was simply dictionary definitions....and further, that you simply define the words without justifying why you've used them.
I'll explain to you what they really mean. Notice that I don't actually need a dictionary (funny that you actually needed one), and can define them straight off.
'Pompous' is a synonym for 'arrogant', and often has rather posh conotations. I was not being arrogant nor posh in any of my responses. You can't really call me 'ignorant' either, because I knew exactly what I was talking about.
'Self-righteous' is a synonym for narcissism, which means that I would be very full of myself. Quite on the contrary, as in my posts I'm more degrading your sh*t-house opinion as opposed to showing how awesome my own posts are.
You talk about being an adult...yet none of your argument showed any sign of maturity. I may have gone overboard with the swearing, but your arguments are worse than I would have expected from a 10 year old.
So Good Game, and please Shut the Fùck Up.
however i do want to say two final things before i leave this be... my first character reached 60 the summer after the game was released - that would be the Nelf rogue... played from level 1-60 by me and only me.
my second character to reach 60, the mage, hit 60 no more than 3 months later (also only played by myself). so as far as having no 60s when you posted your original comment, you are mistaken I had 2 60s and had completed my T1 set on the rogue well before Naxx even existed. Which occurred long before your post.
and as far as the dictionary goes... you told me to look them up:
"Also: please go to google define, or look up the meaning of 'pompous' and 'self-righteous'. You have no idea what either mean, otherwise you wouldn't have used them in this context."
so i did and figured i would share what i found with you
Edited, Jul 13th 2007 9:58pm by turtl
Mirtis - lvl 80 Human Death Knight
Abracadabra - lvl 70 Gnome Mage
Khlulhloo - lvl 70 Draenei Shaman
Turtl - lvl 66 Night Elf Rogue
and many... many other alts
Yes, I told you to go to google define - the purpose of that was to perhaps make you understand what the meanings of those words were, not simply to sprout out some definitions.
Lastly, Good Job. You have Tier 1 "well before Naxx even came out". To put this is perspective for you:
It took me quite a while to get to 60. Did I care? No. Sure, almost everyone I knew had gotten to 60 as far as they could. FDid I care? No. Whilst they struggled to make money upon reaching 60, I'd calmly levelled my profs up to 300 well before 60, and was making BUCKETLOADS of gold when things like the Arcanite Reaper and the Dark Iron Pulverizer (plans/weapon) still sold for sh*tloads of gold. Before 60, I'd already gotten full Tier 0, and by 59-60 had upgraded it all to Tier 0.5.
Once reaching 60, it didn't take me too long to find myself an MC raiding guild, and I got myself most of Tier 1 and 1 piece of Tier 2 (when Tier 2 still dropped in MC), before BWL came out. I finished off my Tier 1, and got my full Tier 2 not much later. Once AQ came, I got Tier 2.5, but once Naxx came (being a ret pally), I didn't bother getting Tier 3.
I can say I have more experience than you.
So if
Once reaching 60, it didn't take me too long to find myself an MC raiding guild, and I got myself most of Tier 1 and 1 piece of Tier 2 (when Tier 2 still dropped in MC), before BWL came out."
That's all.
Mélancolie, 70 Paladin Cho'Gall, Horde (Forever Horde!)
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cho'gall&n=M%C3%A9lancolie
Leilya, 60 Retired Paladin Llane Alliance (Was tired of kids, sorry Alliance)
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Llane&n=Leilya
The fact is that no matter what you say here, it won't change
a thing in the game itself. The loot policy is to be decided by
the group, not the leader ! It's not a monarchy but a team.
And by the way, stop insulting peoples ... it doesn't accomplish
nothing and make you look like an assh*le.
Good day !
Edited, Jun 5th 2007 3:24pm by Derelick
Chickunwingz- 46 human warrior-Arms(main)
Chickkunwing- 19 night elf hunter-Marks (twink)
bunch of other low lvls
16 gnome mage- fire (29 twink)
"In the real world, i am a simple geologist. But in here... I am Falcore.. lvl 2 hunter.. defender of the alliance." -Randy - stan's dad - south park
"Screw you guys... I'm goin' home!"
I'll look at the four classes which can use this, and then explain why they should/shouldn't use this.
Hunter:
This has absolutely no agility, which almost IMMEDIATELY makes it bad for a hunter. Further, it's mail; paladin and warriors get priority a thousand times over over this before a hunter. The hunter, upon reaching forty will likely be gradually tuning down his sm runs, and will probably be heading over to Razorfen Downs or Maraudon. Therefore, they'll probably find way better helms which actually suit a hunter as opposed to this.
Another point which makes this bad for hunters: it has decent armour value. Gear with high armour points under almsot ALL circumstances should not be given to a hunter, as they will have no use for it at all. If you're one of those idiotic hunters who say "I dual wield and I'm a melee hunter" (although I don't like saying this to any class), f***ing well learn to play your f***ing class. YOU HAVE A GODDAM PET FOR WOW'S SAKE!!! Use it to bloody well tank for you - in terms of efficiency, you will ALWAYS do more damage from your ranged attacks then from your crappy melee attacks. End of story, this should NEVER be given to a hunter, unless there are
a) not paladins, warriors or shamans in the group.
b) everyone has agreed in your group that you should get it, as opposed to disenchanting it and rolling on the items created.
Shaman:
There will of course be some whiners who say that this helm should be given to a shaman, and yes, they have ALOT more right to it than a hunter - but over even 1 paladin or warrior, the shaman shuld not get it. After personally getting beaten by a level 37 shaman (I was a level 38 paladin), I can tell you it REALLY sh*ts off pallies/warrs who get beaten on helmslike this by a less-deserving class. Big whoop, they're an enhancement shammy - that doesn't mean in ANY regard that they need this gear more tha even holy pallies and port/arms warriors. Strength will always be better used on the above to classes trhan a shaman, and stamina will ALWAYS be better on a paladin then a shaman. (I personally was gonna kick that shaman, but I was in his group, not vice versa).
Paladin and Warrior:
I personally would say that there is equal argument for both sides as to who should get this, and so in my opinion it revolves down to spec - if the paladin is retribution, then he should probably get this helm above a protection warrior, or a fury warrior. Holy paladins get the last dibs on this item, then prot paladins, prot warriors, fury warriors and then ret pallies and arms warriors coming in equal. Neither of those two specs really has any right over the other.
NB: I also noticed that someone was saying that paladins need spirit - you are an idiot as well. Spirit is perhaps one of the more useless stats of the game, as really only mages, priests, druids and shamans need it. Paladins DEFINITELY don't need it (even less than agility)
No - just because this helm gives crit does NOT balance the loss of agility. Is 20 agility better than +20 crit rating? Yes. DEFINITELY yes. Sure, the crit may be nice - but a fair amount of abilities which hunters use to stay away are arcane based, like arcane/concussive shot, and so aren't based off melee crit chance. Unless of course you're just using Autoshoot, in which case you're a noob hunter.
The 8 strength is MORE than useless. It's a DETRIMENT to hunters, as if they get this helm, it persuades them to go into melee combat and subsequently get raped, \spit'd on, and then insulted by all the players near them of their faction. Absolutely pointless to a hunter.
The high armour value is also bad. Hunters CERTAINLY don't need armour, becaue in PvP, although the armour value gives armour to your pet, no-one EVER attacks your pet - they attack you.
Even in PvE, you could find a green mail helm, with less armour and WHICH ACTUALLY HAS SOME AGILITY ON IT, which would benefit you more.
Mirtis - lvl 80 Human Death Knight
Abracadabra - lvl 70 Gnome Mage
Khlulhloo - lvl 70 Draenei Shaman
Turtl - lvl 66 Night Elf Rogue
and many... many other alts
Edited, Apr 12th 2007 11:54pm by turtl
Mirtis - lvl 80 Human Death Knight
Abracadabra - lvl 70 Gnome Mage
Khlulhloo - lvl 70 Draenei Shaman
Turtl - lvl 66 Night Elf Rogue
and many... many other alts
Just because you didn't get something you needed doesn't mean the person who got it didn't need it. If an elemental Shaman rolled need on this helm, fine, tear them a preverbial new one, but if they are enhancement spec, as many young shamans are, then they need this item as much as ANY Warrior or Paladin or Hunter. End of! Stop complaining & think about other peoples needs for once in your lives.
Asked group if I could need it (38 Paladin), was with 40+ Warrior, 40 Druid, and 30 Druid. Everyone was okay with it.
Absoutly love it :)
Best group i've worked with, we didn't really have any problems going through the armory.
Lanu/troll rogue~24"Thunderlord"
and 2nd, LF is not worth rolling on either, pallys roll on valor B/c its far superior to LF, i should know i play a pally (60) on lightbringer, teddypally
you obviously dont know what the hell you are talking about. just because you can use plate in 3 levels doesnt mean anything. there are mail items in the upper 30's that are better then plate items in the low 40 and some mail items later in the game that are better then the average plate item.
plus you must suck as a pally. Pallys need stamina, intell, and spirit. in the end game they are healers. you dont need any strength or agility or critical strike, none of that sh*t. give that to the warriors and you might actually get somewhere
besides im enhance so i need that stamina and critical strike
ok u guys need to quit bein all "i no eveything u noobs" and listen...ever heard of a 39 twink warrior? so stop saying no1 needs it cuz they can wear plate
razorromance-46hunter
bloodlove-31warrior..twinking at 39
Anyone want to sell the boots?! ^_^
Race: Night Elf Female
Class: Hunter
Pet: Megz - Shadowmaw Panther
Server: Sargeras
And it looks better than the dumbass little leather caps I can wear
as a rogue what were you going to do w/ it?
and 2nd, LF is not worth rolling on either, pallys roll on valor B/c its far superior to LF, i should know i play a pally (60) on lightbringer, teddypally
I'm going to start need rolling on blatant paladin items. Come here, Lightforge Set!
Chickunwingz- 46 human warrior-Arms(main)
Chickkunwing- 19 night elf hunter-Marks (twink)
bunch of other low lvls
16 gnome mage- fire (29 twink)
"In the real world, i am a simple geologist. But in here... I am Falcore.. lvl 2 hunter.. defender of the alliance." -Randy - stan's dad - south park
"Screw you guys... I'm goin' home!"
Icemetal Barbute is from RFD.
I tried to farm this helmet tonight
and all ive got were
8 x Shoulder
1 x Ravager
I tried to farm this helmet tonight
and all ive got were
8 x Shoulder
1 x Ravager
*edit*
2 x Scarlet Leggings
And it removes my pigtails too...
Hope, courage and pink pigtails. The stuff of legends!
I phoned dial-a-prayer. They told me to go to hell.
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