Hunters would probably go for more agility and chance to hit/chance to crit. This gives stamina and attack power which most raiding hunters do not usually need. You might just get one after all.
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Slow bows arent always the highest dps ones. IT depends on your spec. For 0/21/30 yes slower is better for the huge crits. However, for a marks spec hunter with 5 points in improved aspect of hawk, a fast bow is better. With this spec your crit will never be as high as with a survival spec, but the proc from aspect of hawk will make up for this. Faster bow = more procs. So rather then relying on big crits for dmg, you would just hit ton more times
NO you are completely wrong. Imp aspect of the hawk reduces speed by 30%. If you have a higher attack speed, the reduction will be greater. So it evens out. In the end always try to go for the slower bow.
Doubtful for a few reasons, but mostly because of the speed. The stated DPS on bows fails to account for optimal hunter builds and preferred shot rotations. As a consequence, weapons like the Carapace Spined Crossbow from Strath outperform purples with rated DPS up to 8 dps higher (according to Blizzard). You really need to understand the cast time on aimed shot, how that interferes with autoshot DPS if a weapon is faster on autoshot (after haste effects) than the aimed shot speed, and the cooldown on multishot. And normalization did not help on this because normalization was intended for autoshot or individual specials, not collections of specials run on specific rotations with specific buffs and talents to support them.
It's a great bow but how great remains to be seen. If it had been about 3.2 or 3.3 it probably would have been beyond reproach as best bow in the game but at 2.9 I suspect it will come in lower than it should.
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Sorronn Veryien Night Elven Hunter of Azeroth The adventure is in the journey itself.
Slower speed means higher damage, which means bigger crits. That's why super-fast bows like the Bow of Searing Arrows are terrible, and the Bow of Searing Arrows is also the worst epic in the game.
Actually After weapon speed normalization slower speeds mean nothing after 2.8 what gives you bigger crits is top end dmg, and if you plot a chart of dmg done the best weapon speed is between 2.5 and 2.9 so anything slower than that wil have dps loss doue to wait time. so this is the new best weapon in the game for a hunter. Weapon speed normaliztion means that the speed of weapon is just that and the crit is based on a speed of 2.8 there for slower wepaons dmg is slightly reduced and faster weapons are slightly increased. Read patch notes it will help your confusion.
A) Weapon speed normalization has absolutely nothing to do with crits. Crits are a multiple of the normal damage for any shot. Normalaziation affects the base damage done and only affects special shots (aimed and multi) not autoshot, so only half of your shots are affected by normalization. Like you said about top end damage giving you big crits, a slower weapon like Ash has almost exactly the same top end as this and will have similar crits but also has a higher low end.
B) While weapon speed normalization does hurt a slow weapon like Ash, it doesn't help this weapon at all.
C) Plotting damage done absolutely does NOT show that the best weapon speed is between 2.5 and 2.9. This is absolutely false.
Doing the most damage as a hunter is all about your cycle time. Aimed shot is on a 9 second cycle, while Multi is on a 10 sec cycle. The cycle you use depends on the speed of your bow. A slower xbow like Ash will work best with a 9 sec cycle where you do NOT wait for an extra autoshot to fire before starting aimed again. A faster bow like this one is best with a 10 sec cycle where you DO let the auto fire before the aimed. I wish I still had the link to the thread that showed all the numbers. This link starts it out, but only does it for a 9 second cycle:
Of course, many bosses nowadays do not allow you to stand still and cycle DPS them, so the autoshot increase from this weapon probably will make it beat Ash.
OMFG NOOB, first of all edgemaster's gloves are the worst epic in the game, secondly the worst epic bow in the game is Hurricane not bow of searing arrows, BoSA has 2.9 aspd it's very good for its level, now l2p and gtfo here
Hurricane bad? What's wrong with havin' a quick-hitter/mage-bane bow in your bag? In case you are unaware, it's possible to swap the weapon in your ranged weapon slot (even during combat) as the situation dictates.
Hurricane + rapid fire + quick shots proc + broken tooth and your caster opponents will not get anything but an instant cast off on ya.
Edgemaster's gauntlets aren't the worst Epic in game, in fact they own on lvl 63 or higher mobs and bosses (which are considered lvl 63) not saying they are really good. But far from the worst, the worst is the lion horn of stormwind.
Also learn to not shout and act like an immature brat, please
2.9 Speed is actually awesome, because slower speed ranged weapons means bigger crits. That's why the Bow of Searing Arrows is the worst epic bow in the game.
wow.... go go hunter itemization? going from MC loot (rhok) to naxx loot, a hunter stands to gain 6sta and a whooping 6.9 dps. grats, I cant wait to do naxx.
From rhok delar to this one you get a 13.5% weapon dps increase From drake talon cleaver(ilevel 75, same as rhok) to the eye of nerub(ilevel 83, same as this bow) there's a 13.6% weapon dps increase
Maybe you should do a little research before whining so much
Do your own research before telling someone about their class. Yes, the item DPS on the DTC versus the Eye of Nerub is only a 13.6% difference, but the stats are completely different. Eye of Nerub gives 45 agility and 22 stam (as well as +ranged skill), versus 22 strength and 17 stam with a proc. There are 28 more stat points on EoN than DTC, so just looking at item DPS is stupid. You are also comparing a drop from Majordomo to a drop from the drakes in BWL (ilvl is pointless on this weapon).
Now look at the stats of Rhok and Soulstring... -1 attack power and +6 stam. So you gain 13.6% in item DPS but lose 1 attack power.
Even worse is that due to the way cycles work, the xbow from Chrommagus will do more DPS than this weapon.
Go whine about your class in your own forums instead of telling us our itemization isn't broken.
ARE YOU ALL SO STUPID YOU TRHINK ITS REAL ? LOL IMA BELEIVE IT CAUSE ABVIOUSLY SOMEONE KNOWS A FRIEND OF A FRIEND OF A FRIEND WHOS A GM.. OF COURSE.. CEPT GMS DONT LOOK ATTHIS PROGRAMMERS DO SO SHUT UP!!!!!
I was impressed with the graphics on nerubian slavemaker however.
Insane looks.
How can someone not want it? Just for the looks i would go all-in with the dkp
Edited, Sep 13th 2006 at 10:35am EDT by Ellandale
It's a great bow but how great remains to be seen. If it had been about 3.2 or 3.3 it probably would have been beyond reproach as best bow in the game but at 2.9 I suspect it will come in lower than it should.
Night Elven Hunter of Azeroth
The adventure is in the journey itself.
Starmaster 70 Shaman
Ruenis: 70 Rogue
Porkandbeans: 70 Priest
Karwyn: 40 Warrior
Voodudete: 50 Mage
Sonya: 40 Warlock
Sera: 50 Hunter
Ifalna: 40 Druid
Fenril: 50 Paladin
A) Weapon speed normalization has absolutely nothing to do with crits. Crits are a multiple of the normal damage for any shot. Normalaziation affects the base damage done and only affects special shots (aimed and multi) not autoshot, so only half of your shots are affected by normalization. Like you said about top end damage giving you big crits, a slower weapon like Ash has almost exactly the same top end as this and will have similar crits but also has a higher low end.
B) While weapon speed normalization does hurt a slow weapon like Ash, it doesn't help this weapon at all.
C) Plotting damage done absolutely does NOT show that the best weapon speed is between 2.5 and 2.9. This is absolutely false.
Doing the most damage as a hunter is all about your cycle time. Aimed shot is on a 9 second cycle, while Multi is on a 10 sec cycle. The cycle you use depends on the speed of your bow. A slower xbow like Ash will work best with a 9 sec cycle where you do NOT wait for an extra autoshot to fire before starting aimed again. A faster bow like this one is best with a 10 sec cycle where you DO let the auto fire before the aimed. I wish I still had the link to the thread that showed all the numbers. This link starts it out, but only does it for a 9 second cycle:
Of course, many bosses nowadays do not allow you to stand still and cycle DPS them, so the autoshot increase from this weapon probably will make it beat Ash.
Hurricane + rapid fire + quick shots proc + broken tooth and your caster opponents will not get anything but an instant cast off on ya.
Imbune - Resto Shaman Terenas EU
Also learn to not shout and act like an immature brat, please
The worst epic in the game is this, and u all know im right!
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=8708
Starmaster 70 Shaman
Ruenis: 70 Rogue
Porkandbeans: 70 Priest
Karwyn: 40 Warrior
Voodudete: 50 Mage
Sonya: 40 Warlock
Sera: 50 Hunter
Ifalna: 40 Druid
Fenril: 50 Paladin
Starmaster 70 Shaman
Ruenis: 70 Rogue
Porkandbeans: 70 Priest
Karwyn: 40 Warrior
Voodudete: 50 Mage
Sonya: 40 Warlock
Sera: 50 Hunter
Ifalna: 40 Druid
Fenril: 50 Paladin
If a weapon speed isn't a multiple of 3s after all +haste from gear, then it's inefficient a hunter cycle. Ashjre'thul is more damage than this bow.
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Albino Tauren Warrior
From drake talon cleaver(ilevel 75, same as rhok) to the eye of nerub(ilevel 83, same as this bow) there's a 13.6% weapon dps increase
Maybe you should do a little research before whining so much
Now look at the stats of Rhok and Soulstring... -1 attack power and +6 stam. So you gain 13.6% in item DPS but lose 1 attack power.
Even worse is that due to the way cycles work, the xbow from Chrommagus will do more DPS than this weapon.
Go whine about your class in your own forums instead of telling us our itemization isn't broken.
http://eu.wowarmory.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Tarjin
Edited, Sep 2nd 2006 at 12:59am EDT by Dalhia
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