Item: Toxin Injector :: World of Warcraft

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As of right now, the claims about slower weapons being better because of aimed shot are correct. However, come burning crusade, aimed shot is gonna be made to reset ALL of your shot cycles, even auto-shot. That and the fact that they're giving us steady shot, and they're making it so that attack power is prolly gonna be more important in raids than agi, and this is gonna be one of the best guns out there, if not the best.

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Not so in BC

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Scholar

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The other factor in favor of fast weapons is that the bonus damage from a scope is added to each shot. More shots = more bonus damage. Sniper scope FTW!

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Hunter gun for BC?

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Houze

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This weapon probarly arn't near Ashjre'thul in dps at the moment, but as the mechanincs will change in BC this maybe will be a great gun to leveling upp to 70.
Hopefully we will se a better use for fast range weapons in BC, so if it drops I won't hasitate to bid on this, i will not use it now but when BC comes out it will be rather nice.

Hunter gun

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Zarle

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Nice gun for hunters.

Zarle

52 Night Elf Hunter@ Grim Batol

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Hunter gun

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Scholar

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Hunters think every weapon is for them. C'mon, you know that rogues and warriors should have this.

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Rogue weapon? I don't think so.

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mrmime

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One thing to say: the rogues and warriors in my guild can stop drooling, because any hunter not going for this thing is a complete retard. I would so take this over rhok, just because of the massive dps.

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dont care

Posted: Sep 7th 2006 12:31am | Edited: Sep 7th 2006 12:33am | IP: Logged | Reply to this

Dakkl

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nice gun. i want it.

Edited, Sep 7th 2006 at 12:33am EDT by Dakkl

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small upgrade to hearthstriker

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skullson

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small upgrade compared to the broodlord gun hearthstriker

Not for hunters.

Posted: Aug 17th 2006 5:47am | Edited: Aug 17th 2006 5:50am | IP: Logged | Reply to this

Moshh

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This really isn't a hunter weapon. The low damage and high speed make it pretty weak. As someone already said, you will lose more autoshots in between while using an aimed shot that you would with a slower weapon.

And if you don't use aimed shot in raid instances you are an absolutely abysmal hunter. Hunters can nuke out full dps with feigning in between, if fd fails you will have to ease dps a little. I am surprised anyone can even dish out such utter crap as not to use aimed shot in raiding.

Not only lower dps in PvE but it wouldn't do the job in PvP either to be honest. You only get a certain time to be at range, and need to dish out high dmg hits.

Save your dkp for a REAL upgrade over rhokdelar/ashretul whatever.

Edited, Aug 17th 2006 at 5:54am EDT by Moshh

Edited, Aug 17th 2006 at 5:50am EDT by Moshh

Clearly Rogueweapon...

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Lithander

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Clearly Rogueweapon if you consider the design of it! =)

At least only rogues were bidding tonight, hunters or warriors didn't even bother... got it for 70 dkp wich is pretty cheap in our system. (I paid 10x the dkp for maexxna's fang)

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To each their own

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RealOxblood

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This is the coolest looking gun in the game so far, the speed and damage is disapointing to say the least. If you want to get this and are in a guild that cant make it to there, more power to ya, Listening to folks that post about items that they dont have (or had) is pretty stupid. I have Rok and the dragon's breath handcannon, passed the crossbow off chromaggus a few times to hunters that had sucky ranged compared to what i and other had. I use the DBHC alot more than Rok. Why? because it looks cooler and I like the stats more. My toon's race gets no benefit from a gun or bow, so it comes down to what do you like. True you wont get really big crits with this but you will be dealing out a constant stream of DPS with this one and the attack power comes in handy for when not in a raid and you not a hunter that just FD's when you pull aggro off you pet or your PVPing and FD cooldown is not up and you get rushed by a melee class (mind you if your a hunter that lacks melee power you aint gonna stand up for too long). IF you prefer guns and dont have the musket from AQ40 or DBHC, then get this, if you got one of those and dont care if its gun, bow or Xbow, I wouldnt bother and hold out for better like the one off Oruo.

Edited, Aug 1st 2006 at 11:09am EDT by RealOxblood

false advertisement

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MadGeist

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You would think this thing would shoot out poison, have a +nature damage bonus(serpent sting), or have a nature damage proc as the name would imply.

normalized?

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holynazzi

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kinda new to the deeper game analysis, but could someone explain what "normalized" means when discussing weapon speeds and such. ive always been in the belief that for hunters, slow melee weaps and fast ranged were best. i tried using a gun as close to 3sec as possible to take advantage of aimed shot, but still came to the conclusion that with the more shots per sec, the more overall dps i would gain from better ammo, higher atk power, and scopes.

but overall i think there are better ranged out there for hunters.

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normalized?

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Scholar

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I agree with your analysis of slow 2H melee weapons and fast ranged weapons. If you have a fast bow or gun with a +7 scope, the bonus damage adds to each shot fired and adds up to a lot of damage with no mana expended. Aimed shot has been nerfed anyway and lots of hunters dropped it altogether after the 2.0.1 patch.

Even when aimed shot was good, I still haven't figured out how people claim to use it continuously in raids. It burns mana like there was no tomorrow. I prefer using a fast bow with the +7 scope I mentioned, and serpent sting and arcane shot as long as my mana holds up during a long boss fight. Aimed shot was good for shorter fights where my mana would last, but over the long haul it wasn't efficient.

And in those periodic cases where you critted twice in a row with aimed shot, you could very well get killed by aggroing a boss who ignores your feign death.

So I guess I need professional help.

Edited, Jan 4th 2007 1:11pm by AddictedFanatic

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Pic

Posted: Jul 6th 2006 1:53am | Edited: Jul 6th 2006 10:53pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this

MirraWarsong

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Pic of the gun in action:

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs303&d=06274&f=toxin_injector.jpg

Fast weapons have their uses, regenning mana with judgement, interrupting casters, fights where you move a lot they can sometimes edge slower weapons due to more autoshots.

Melee classes often use multiple weapons for different situations, why people believe it should be any different for hunters is beyond me.

Anyway, why argue, if you want the gun, get it, if you don't pass!

Cheers,

Leica

Sorry for the double post, edit wasn't working :(

Edited, Jul 6th 2006 at 10:53pm EDT by MirraWarsong

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Pic

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CheyenneGoldenleaf

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Hello Leica ! * hugs ! *

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Pic

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MirraWarsong

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Pic of the gun in action:

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs303&d=06274&f=toxin_injector.jpg

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Forgot to add this

Posted: Jul 5th 2006 10:37pm | Edited: Jul 5th 2006 10:38pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this

bakayaro

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Forgot to add this for Zysac,

Rhok'delar DPS = 44
Toxin Injector DPS = 49

So yeah what are you talking about...

Also here is a pic of it. It looks SWEET ^.^
http://koti.mbnet.fi/triton-/kuvia/wow/1.11/Items/Toxin-Injector.jpg

Edited, Jul 5th 2006 at 10:39pm EDT by bakayaro

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Forgot to add this

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Zysac

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Without going into the whole system of weapon cycles in detail, lets just go over a few of the basic facts.

- While aimed shot and multi shot were normalised, auto shot was not. Speed and max damage still make a difference in that way.

- A fast weapon still means that aimed shot does not fit in between auto shots, and with a weapon as slow as asjrethul, or to a lesser extent nerubian slavemaker, you lose less white damage while casting aimed shot.

- If you dont use aimed shot in raids you need professional help.

- Listed dps means very little compared to the damage range of the weapon (see above 3 points)
Toxin Injector - 68-128
Rhok'delar - 89-166

These are 4 points which prove how this weapon, from a pure cycles point of view, is lame. I would never use it even though it has an incredibly cool graphic, but in Nax, AQ40 etc, you are moving about alot and standing cycles matter less. Either way I would take a slow weapon any day, and leave this to warriors/rogues/gun freaks.

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>.< you guys got it all wrong

Posted: Jul 5th 2006 10:28pm | Edited: Jul 5th 2006 10:30pm | IP: Logged | Reply to this

bakayaro

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For a Dwarf Hunter this would rock :D with the fast fireing speed of this thing your DPS would be through the roof... unless you are a noob and only used aimed shot, which if you do you probably never survive in any instance past MC so then this weapon is way WAY out of your reach.

Facts:
I did some tests with two different guns that were both slow (3.00) and fast (2.30) shooting speeds. What I found is that with faster guns, the damage bonus you get from bullets and the scope is much greater since you shoot more often. Even though the base DPS of the faster gun was lower then the slower gun it did more DPS. Think of it this way, each bullet adds + damage and the scope enchant also Adds + damage much like on a melee weapon + damage enchant. You want it to be a fast weapon so you get that + damage bonus more often.

If you really want those high Aimed-Shots get a slower gun but remember this one thing, big spikes in DPS = Sudden High Agro = Pulling Agro = Wipeing the raid!

Fast Shooting Speed + Good Amo Pouch + High lvl Bullets + Scope = Really High Steady DPS

PS: I am a lvl 60 Dwarf Hunter with almost full tier 2 gear. Just so you guys know I am not some noob who is lvl 32 looking at "The cool purpley gear."

Edited, Jul 5th 2006 at 10:30pm EDT by bakayaro

Edited, Jul 5th 2006 at 10:30pm EDT by bakayaro

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>.< you guys got it all wrong

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CheyenneGoldenleaf

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bakayaro wrote:

Your dwarven racial grants you +0.4% to hit and +0.4% to crit while using guns. It is not a big deal. The speed of this weapon would give you steady dps but low damage per hit.

bakayaro wrote:

Facts:
I did some tests with two different guns that were both slow (3.00) and fast (2.30) shooting speeds. What I found is that with faster guns, the damage bonus you get from bullets and the scope is much greater since you shoot more often. Even though the base DPS of the faster gun was lower then the slower gun it did more DPS. Think of it this way, each bullet adds + damage and the scope enchant also Adds + damage much like on a melee weapon + damage enchant. You want it to be a fast weapon so you get that + damage bonus more often.

If you really want those high Aimed-Shots get a slower gun but remember this one thing, big spikes in DPS = Sudden High Agro = Pulling Agro = Wipeing the raid!

Fast Shooting Speed + Good Amo Pouch + High lvl Bullets + Scope = Really High Steady DPS

PS: I am a lvl 60 Dwarf Hunter with almost full tier 2 gear. Just so you guys know I am not some noob who is lvl 32 looking at "The cool purpley gear."

Since Aimed Shot and Multi Shot were normalized, you need to look at the weapon's damage ranges to decide which is better.

Toxin 68 - 128
Huhuran's Stinger 87 - 163
Rhok 89 - 166
Crossbow of Smithing 124 - 186

Since Aimed Shot and Multi Shot was normalized to 2.8 speed, their damage range is all that matters. Toxin has the lowest damage range of the listed items. While using Auto Shot, the formula uses the weapons speed. Since Toxin also has the lowest weapon speed and the lowest damage ranges, it will hit very soft. In fact, it would hit softer and do less than the epic bow.

My advice is to let the rogues have this gun because it isn't really a hunter item.

Just so others know this is my profile.

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>.< you guys got it all wrong

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Spoonky

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MY advicde to you is to GET @#%^ED

>.< you guys got it all wrong

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Draupadi

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Riiiight, let rogues have this for that leet 28 AP and 10 stam. Are you kidding? Striker's Mark (22 AP, 1% hit) and Blastershot Launcher (1% crit, 9 stam) are better alternatives for them and probablly going to be cheap DKP for any guild far enoguh along in Naxx to get this. I'm sure you're going to find hunters curious enough about a weapon with this much DPS to try it out. So no, don't give this to rogues if there are hunters interest in it. Rogues have FAR better alternatives with MUCH less weapon damage to get the stats that this thing gives.

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>.< you guys got it all wrong

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yahmox

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 1% Hit on Strikers was change to effect only ranged attacks (like the +hit scope)? That'd make it a toss up between Blastershot and this.

>.< you guys got it all wrong

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Lethshyish

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NOOO

You have it reversed! before the normalization you looked at the damage ranges for instant attacks, but now that it is normalized instant attacks just use the dpsx2.8. So for instant attacks only use the dps.

>.< you guys got it all wrong

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Lethshyish

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Edit, repeat post.

Edited, Jul 21st 2006 at 1:54pm EDT by Lethshyish

>.< you guys got it all wrong

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Rhiddyn

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You really have no clue what you're talking about lol. Aimed and Multi shot has been normalized to one speed a long time ago

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>.< you guys got it all wrong

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bruinsofucla

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no, what i think he is trying to say is that some people want a slow gun with a lot of damage per hit so that aimed shot hits and then crits for higher, and he is saying that people who rely only on aimed shot wont make it past MC. Seems like he knows what hes talking about...i think you just didnt know what he was talking about.

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>.< you guys got it all wrong

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VenomVenom

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Why the hell wouldnt i rely on aimed shot? Its part of any good hunters rotation. You go, auto, auto, multi, auto aimed, auto and repeat...

Fast ranged weapons are good for troll who have beserking, rapid fire and imp AotH. Then they can do some damage and they replace aimed with arcane shot.

and also...big crits? use feign death...

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Mymla

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Not in pve. In pve, using aimed shot is a horrible drop in DPS.

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>.< you guys got it all wrong

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Scholar

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Many guilds expect hunters to kite, which precludes using aimed shot much at all since you have to run and shoot. For kiting, a fast weapon is good since you can't stand in one place too long. If I can get off two shots per stop (instead of one) while kiting, I have doubled my dps.

So it depends upon your role. It might be easy if hunters can just stand back and unload as much DPS as possible, but that is not the only way to play.

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Lame

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Zysac

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This gun is utter balls for hunters, Rhok'delar is way better. This should go straight to warriors (rogues doing these bosses should have at striker's mark at least - much better than this).

If you dont believe me, check out the hunter forums and you'll find a nice table listing hunter dps and how it works. 128 max damage? Please..

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New! best ranged weap in game

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shortkow

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wow, new best ranged weap in game, awesome.

would like to see how it looks tho : \ meh, it'll come in time

-SK

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New! best ranged weap in game

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mystikxjragon

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http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9871/untitled2copy5uo.jpg

its not the best ranged in the game. nerubian slavemaker is better, but that drops off kel

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Zuty

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Is this like a huge syringe?

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awesome

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KiLLersNL

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best gun for rogue's :)

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awesome

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carstone

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http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19350

almost same stats.....

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Posting from Orgrimmar

awesome

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Shadowtrance

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A PvP Hunter will vey much prefer that bow than this gun because of higher max. damage and longer speed. This item will proably go to Rogues/Warriors.

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awesome

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fereshtehtombe

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uhhh rmember that dmg was normalized so dps is all that matters for guns becuase top end dmg on slow ranged was nerfed in 1.10 i think

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awesome

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warriorblade

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Wrong. The only thing that was normalized was the speed modifier of the attack power bonus for Aimed Shot and Multi-Shot. Weapons with high top-end damage still reign supreme here.