Fures, level 60 Warrior.

Every class has a "dps" tree.. ( or PvP, whateva you want to call it ) Even Paladins !
If a Pala wants to go dps / PvP every now and then, why not just let em? They did get that tree for a reason. Maybe the damage output isn't as great as a Rogue / Warrior, but in most cases, its not about how much damage you deal, its about if you have fun.
Also, some Pala's just get tired of healing / buffing all the time, and go do PvP every now and then. I hate to go to Meatwall mode all the time.. you could say, isn't that what you Warriors were made for? Simple answer... no, we also got another 2 tree's, wich are there for DPS / PvP. Exactly the same for a Pala. "Arent Pala's there to heal / buff the entire raid?", in most cases they are, but they also got another tree.. and want to try that one out too.
This Helm, can be equiped by both.. but there's one difference between a Warrior and a Pala. Pala's arent as gear dependant as Warriors, thats why Warriors should get prio on this and then Pala's can roll / bid DKP imo. Every Pala should know this and every Pala thats isn't a epic horny bitch, will pass on it for a Warrior. If they can think ofc...

Btw, I saw some Pala say he outdps's Arms geared Warriors rite? Few months ago, when I had rank 10 gear + Arcanite reaper, I went UBRS for fun.. this dps-Pala went with us, fully epic. At the end of the instance, he didn't even do half of my damage output. I dont mind them goin DPS, if your having fun, gogo !

PS, isn't this the wrong place to discuss what a Pala / Warrior can need? Talk about HoER here, not what class must get it first.

I just picked up this bad boy 2 nights ago, its a must have for fury warriors.

Basically I raid all the end game instances (small 20 man ones AQ20,ZG, then 40 man ones MC, BWL, AQ40 not quite into Naxx yet).But coming from a raiding guild that has BWL on farm this Helm has a very high drop rate, and should first be distributed to the warriors via DKP bidding of course. If a Paladin wants this helm they will have to wait until the DPS warriors at least are fully equipped. I may be horde but I know my class like the back of my hand, I also know the roles of a Paladin in a End game zone as I have a friend who I have seen in BWL/AQ40. He wouldn't dare bid on the Helm, as he knows paladins have more use than just to dps and he also knows that if the warrior wins the Helm this is going to boost the raids damage output a lot more than if a paladin won it.

Just making my thoughts known you may not agree with me.

But I also think this rule apply's for Drake talon pauldrons and Chromatic Boots aswell.

I got only 1 thing to say...check my bagz (Paladin)

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?930967

why is this helm so good? i'm a warrior with the lionheart helm and i'm not sure its worth losing almost 1% crit and 2% hit just for str and stam, i'm 2h fury btw.

All i have to say is about the name...

Helm of Endless Rage:
Rage = Warriors
Mana = Paladins

if any1 in my guild wants this back of lol its mine!!!! i want 1 badly fury ftw

warriors stay the hell out of thise helm ok i want it , and no paladin with enough dps can outdps warrior in fight if he has reckoning :).

HAHA ye iam also so happy about iam horde warrior.. paladins always want warrior loot.

I'll end this.
1: In end game you do not "Roll" you send dkp to the ML.
2: The ML does know what he is doing and will not let any class roll on this.
3: A warrior with this IS better then a pally with it no mater the spec. It will help the guild in PVP and PVE greater if the warrrior gets this.
4: 99 times out of 100 the pallys said that they want this have never seen BWL and never will. So it does not mater.
5: Critalidons need SOC to do DPS warriors are made for 2 things, damage and tanking. A warrior with a good weapong vs. a pally with a good weapon will always win in the dps metters.
6: If your guild lets pallys spend dkp on this for pvp, then they will never see the last boss in BWL dead because the warriors are swinging green weapons and the pallys have everything.
7:For pvp a warrior with this will win over a SOC pally because it flat out is just better. You can use, but that does not give you right to have it. IE. Rogues can use cloth chests. It is just not good for them tho.

GL getting to this boss all you critalidons. Have fun in strat and scholo.

Ah so just because the pally has a certain tree in there talents that tells them they can do damage, means they can bid on equipment such as this(or the chromatic boots, drake talons, etc..)Real nice. Well i for one will never get outdamaged by a pally and quite frankly if this helm goes into the hands of a pally first, theres something wrong with that guild. At least let the warriors take a shot at it, THEN let the pallys bid.

The blizzard forums are down now, but go to the paladin forums. Then look for the stickied post about reckoning. Go down the first post to the bottom and download the video from the link there.

Now go on your warrior and try to top that. Also, check out his gear and noticed that it's sub-par with the exception of one or two items.

Intellect may be a very important stat for paladins, but I'd like you to note how many helms are available to a paladin. Not counting blues, there are two helms with any intellect at all on them. One has a total of 8 strength, the other with zero. Which helms? Our class set helms.

In PvP, we enjoy hitting things just as much as warriors. With enough attack power and strength, we can hit things damn hard. Instead of that horrid +8 strength helm that blizzard (no kidding) called a joke, I'll be happy to roll (everyone who wants it rolls, and the winner has their DKP subtracted. It's a viable method) on Helm of Endless Rage, which will benefit me in PvP just as much as it will a warrior.

"go roll on int plate n00b"

Sure thing! Gauntlets of the shining light, legguards of the fallen crusader, zandalar freethinker's breastplate, zandalar freethinker's armguards, etc. There is plenty of offensive-built paladin plate out there. It just takes some searching to find. Helms, however, are a different story. There isn't a single offensive-build paladin helm in existance, which means you idiotic no-clue warriors are going to have to step down on this one.

Here's the deal:
Warriors get ALL the plate with defense on it, paladins get ALL the plate with intellect on it. Anything else is fair game.


"Alright, that seems fair. It is after all just a game, and you shouldn't have to set rules to prevent greed at all... but what about weapons?"

We both use weapons as our only way to deal damage, so they're all fair game. Paladins get intellect weapons, warriors get tanking weapons. It's a fair trade-off.

Edited, Sun Nov 13 07:19:48 2005

lol

"Green iron (same graphics but green), Helm of Wrath (same graphics but blue), Lionheart Helm (same graphics but yellow)."

Dont forget the Raging Berserker Helmet :)

Just downed vale and got this one. It's a great helm but it seams like blizz relly didn't put much work into it. The graphics are boring old one like all the other helms, altough most of he other non set items in BWL have new graphics. And your hair also shows trough the helm, can't have this thing visible untill they fixa a new gfx, damn uggly.

We got it tonight, here is a picture of our Undead Warrior Zponx wearing it (Damn he is ugly)

http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helm1al.jpg

Definitely a Hunter item.

This is one reason i like being hordeside there isnt the constant pally/warrior feud,... unless were pvp'n. Anyways this helm looks awesome hope to get it :D

if it were up to all of you pallys wouldnt roll on anything, hush up, if you can make good use of it ROLL and ive had those who have cried after I have rolled on something, they end up getting kicked out of their own guild.