8.64% Chance To Drop. (1,307 in 15,133) Found on 1 creatures in 1 zones.This item is found on creatures which usually require more than one group to kill. This item can only be found on specific creatures.
In the end of the day when u ppl are here discussing and trying make your point it all comes down to the raid and the dkp you want to spend(if u are in a serious guild). Got mine today and i'm a druid. Also i think the drop is less then 8% for Horde. Full tier 2 atm and it was the first time it saw that drop.
I am a feral druid, if still young, but I can definitely see how this item would be useful to a feral. I would have to agree however that the pure attack power would benefit the paladin and shaman quite a bit, this is a hefty little weapon, but the stats undeniably help the druid who already have to fight rogues for most of their armor. But at the end of the day, this is a raid drop, which means a person is probably going to use DKP, in if a nice little feral has the DKP to spend, and the weapon is clearly an upgrade, then their is no reason they shouldn't have their hand in the cookie jar too. We all need a little epic in our life.
If youre a druid, youre retarded to get this over an paladin or a shaman, you get ALOT more out of this: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19944 tbh its a dream shaman/paladin weapon due to speed and max dps, also stats support it.
As a paladin I dare to disagree, fish terminator is good, but as I stated on previous post, I cant see this being left without druid on the "best for" description, as I stated previously spirit helps manaregene, wich works in forms. Int is good for those tight spots where you actualy have to step out of the form and heal, and stam & strenth are self-explaining stats. If you havent seen druid pvp set I sugest you take a look of what stats it uses. Surely druid gets more AP out of fish terminator, but overall is it so much better that you're right to be a *bit* harsh about issue. Please think it trough before sharing your opinion.
Yours, Az.
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Let those who want to heal roll priests Let those who want to do dps roll rogues. Let those who want to tank roll warriors. Those who are still left, shall be known as paladins.
Druids are, despite being specced for a <insert spec>, a hybrid class. Thus they will find use for all the stats in this weapon. Yes they might not want to wear it when they mainheal you on instance but as you MIGHT have heard there's BC comming out where you have whole new 10 levels to do, and personaly I dont think druids will be healing mobs to the grave.
What is it? They dont need int on cat form? D'oh. As you're aware, warriors or rogues cant heal either when they're grinding, this is due their so said higher dps wich allows them kill mobs faster. Even if druids lose a small portion of their total dps due this they gain ability to go caster, heal, and be ready for next mob straight away. This is where intellect kicks in, did I mention that manarege works in feral forms? Oh yea...
So... Might not be top 1 choise for retradin, since they want crit. Might not be top 1 choise for heladin, since they want to have +healing probably. Might not be top 1 choise for resto druid, due not having that much caster stats. Might not be top 1 choise for feral druid, due not having that much feral stats.
But I sure want this to go with my judgement (STR enchants ftw, makes it valid all-around set, in other words hybrid set) & aq20/40 stuff. One of the few items where STR meets INT. With decend-to-good dps for an item having such a good stat-pool. Afraid I had to pass on this to other pally due hoarding dkp for judgement chest but certainly will want this before BC if possible.
Oh yea and enchant with agi / str for ferals, its great. Maybe spelldmg & healing (Yes its healing too nowdays) for paladins to even further push the hybrid element. TBC comes out, perfect for xping on hybrid gear, having healing capabilities wich will still be more than decend, while actualy being able to output decend dps (Decend in terms of solo farming, raidbuffed <insert class> can offcorse outdps, wich Im not even suprised.).
Idea was not to push on that having this will make paladin dps class, but to point out our class description as hybrid.
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Let those who want to heal roll priests Let those who want to do dps roll rogues. Let those who want to tank roll warriors. Those who are still left, shall be known as paladins.
This thing has too low of a drop rate to be farmed out to people paying gold. Unless you are lucky you probably won't see one for around a dozen runs (8% drop rate = 1 in 12.5 runs). I don't see how a guild can offer to get you one for 700 gold unless they take you back week after week until it drops.
omg... are you from this world? I mean "Hunter's weapon" is like... everything! even food is a hunter's weapond...
Ppl just post "Hunter's weapond" in everything (even in things that hunters can't equip, just to see ppl like you to say: "WOW... are u stupid? hunters can't use X"
WRONG!!!! druids can use the full stats if it just like anyone else. your looking at it from a feral point only. guess what, have you looked at the new moonkin: +AP and mana regen based on our AP per hit. so not only will the moonkin be hitting you with the 73.4 DPS but regening mana from it.
Edited, Oct 29th 2006 at 12:51am PDT by Twatandthez
Wow dude your lucky you are the raid leader cuz in the real world this is not the case. Any good DPS stuff goes to the warriors and rouges. Any good caster/healing stuff goes to everyone besides pallies/druids. Pallies and druids are like the last plp to get anything! I'm a 60 pally running most of the raids and pull my hair out most of the time because we don't get anything. Sure your right, no heals = no raid, but you can say no dps = no raid just as easy. It's a team thing and the loot should be looked at like that too so everyone is happy.
If a druid gets this over a pally so be it but that would be the most retarded thing ive ever heard of.
The whole thing on... "Understand: -Happy Druids/Priests = healing on raids = loot for all
-Morons like you telling them what they can/can't have = no healing on raids = no loot"
THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST RETARDED THING IVE HEARD ALL YEAR. Paladins are excelent healers come on over to my server and get outhealed and watch you have 80% of the overhealing.
Tell you what, I will come to your server. Wait till BC comes out. Wait for a BE Paladin to get to level 60. Wait 6 months for him/her to get gear good enough for BWL. THEN I'll look at his/her healing.
I'd happily take that bet, I could use the money (IRL or in-game).
I stand by my statement though.
Once you can run BWL with nothing but Palas/Shamans healing, and I mean, take a raid full of players with no BWL experience through all the wipes learning every boss in the process, then you can start on about loot priority in your raids. And they will still be "your" raids, and completely unrelated to mine or my guild's.
Get over yourself, dkp is the system most raiding guilds have adopted, and it allows anyone to get any item they want so long as they put in the time necessary.
Loot council and open rolls are the up and coming thing, DKP blows
Another well substantiated and well thought out argument. But then I'd come to expect no better from you my friend.
Loot council relies on far to many variables: your "perceived" worth and role rather than actual hard values and/statistics on the matter, plus it is open to massive bias.
And if you want to have the distribution of loot in a 40-man raid instance rely on open rolls, then I wish you good luck and massive patience for when luck is against you.
Also i think the drop is less then 8% for Horde. Full tier 2 atm and it was the first time it saw that drop.
Never mind,however, all i'm interest is outfit ;=)
tbh its a dream shaman/paladin weapon due to speed and max dps, also stats support it.
Yours, Az.
Let those who want to do dps roll rogues.
Let those who want to tank roll warriors.
Those who are still left, shall be known as paladins.
Druids are, despite being specced for a <insert spec>, a hybrid class. Thus they will find use for all the stats in this weapon. Yes they might not want to wear it when they mainheal you on instance but as you MIGHT have heard there's BC comming out where you have whole new 10 levels to do, and personaly I dont think druids will be healing mobs to the grave.
What is it? They dont need int on cat form? D'oh. As you're aware, warriors or rogues cant heal either when they're grinding, this is due their so said higher dps wich allows them kill mobs faster. Even if druids lose a small portion of their total dps due this they gain ability to go caster, heal, and be ready for next mob straight away. This is where intellect kicks in, did I mention that manarege works in feral forms? Oh yea...
So...
Might not be top 1 choise for retradin, since they want crit.
Might not be top 1 choise for heladin, since they want to have +healing probably.
Might not be top 1 choise for resto druid, due not having that much caster stats. Might not be top 1 choise for feral druid, due not having that much feral stats.
But I sure want this to go with my judgement (STR enchants ftw, makes it valid all-around set, in other words hybrid set) & aq20/40 stuff. One of the few items where STR meets INT. With decend-to-good dps for an item having such a good stat-pool. Afraid I had to pass on this to other pally due hoarding dkp for judgement chest but certainly will want this before BC if possible.
Oh yea and enchant with agi / str for ferals, its great. Maybe spelldmg & healing (Yes its healing too nowdays) for paladins to even further push the hybrid element. TBC comes out, perfect for xping on hybrid gear, having healing capabilities wich will still be more than decend, while actualy being able to output decend dps (Decend in terms of solo farming, raidbuffed <insert class> can offcorse outdps, wich Im not even suprised.).
Idea was not to push on that having this will make paladin dps class, but to point out our class description as hybrid.
Let those who want to do dps roll rogues.
Let those who want to tank roll warriors.
Those who are still left, shall be known as paladins.
Defiant - Tauren Druid - Blackwing Lair. PvP
Ppl just post "Hunter's weapond" in everything (even in things that hunters can't equip, just to see ppl like you to say: "WOW... are u stupid? hunters can't use X"
The joke is kinda old, but still owns =P
Druids will use:
+31 Strength
+20 Intellect
+17 Spirit
+22 Stamina
Paladins/Shaman will use:
Two-Hand Two-Hand Mace
199 - 300 Damage Speed 3.40
(73.4 damage per second)
+31 Strength
+20 Intellect
+17 Spirit
+22 Stamina
WRONG!!!! druids can use the full stats if it just like anyone else. your looking at it from a feral point only. guess what, have you looked at the new moonkin: +AP and mana regen based on our AP per hit.
so not only will the moonkin be hitting you with the 73.4 DPS but regening mana from it.
Edited, Oct 29th 2006 at 12:51am PDT by Twatandthez
Great...
there is good, weapons with great stats but low dps, this is for druid "prior" (like Lok'amir il Romathis http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19360 )
understood? :)
How is a drop from Nefarion "prior" to this in any way?
I'm glad that my Druid is our guild leader, so I can gkick loot-whores like yourself.
Understand:
-Happy Druids/Priests = healing on raids = loot for all
-Morons like you telling them what they can/can't have = no healing on raids = no loot
:)
When you can run BWL with nothing but Palas/Shamans healing, then it can get prioritised to them first.
Edited, Oct 14th 2006 at 2:58am PDT by lifetimewarranty
The whole thing on...
"Understand:
-Happy Druids/Priests = healing on raids = loot for all
-Morons like you telling them what they can/can't have = no healing on raids = no loot"
THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST RETARDED THING IVE HEARD ALL YEAR. Paladins are excelent healers come on over to my server and get outhealed and watch you have 80% of the overhealing.
http://ctprofiles.net/3969521
Wait till BC comes out.
Wait for a BE Paladin to get to level 60.
Wait 6 months for him/her to get gear good enough for BWL.
THEN I'll look at his/her healing.
http://ctprofiles.net/3969521
I stand by my statement though.
Once you can run BWL with nothing but Palas/Shamans healing, and I mean, take a raid full of players with no BWL experience through all the wipes learning every boss in the process, then you can start on about loot priority in your raids. And they will still be "your" raids, and completely unrelated to mine or my guild's.
Get over yourself, dkp is the system most raiding guilds have adopted, and it allows anyone to get any item they want so long as they put in the time necessary.
http://ctprofiles.net/3969521
Another well substantiated and well thought out argument. But then I'd come to expect no better from you my friend.
Loot council relies on far to many variables: your "perceived" worth and role rather than actual hard values and/statistics on the matter, plus it is open to massive bias.
And if you want to have the distribution of loot in a 40-man raid instance rely on open rolls, then I wish you good luck and massive patience for when luck is against you.
im a happy feral druid :)
put +25 agility on it prob the best feral wep ill see drop for a long time.
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