Ok now i know this line is old and maybe the posting but i can tell you this as an experienced pally player gear makes the difference here in my opinion I can out tank any warrior and hold agro as much as and even better than that of a warrior and yes i am lvl67 now and while i was in mc i tanked and did it wonderfuly and recently proved to a warrior that i can break his threat and generate more threat in fact nearly 30k threat while he was down in the teens so i ask you now who is better i would say a pally that can self heal deal out massive dps (and for a tank in high level instance i can put out around 300dps) who wouldnt rather have a tank that can not only do his job but also self sustain him self hmm makes you think and you have to realize that the longer the tank stays alive the better.... Now as far as learning or knowing how to play the mages and warlocks do because no matter what once you break that agro chain with say a 9k fire ball your toast no one and i mean no one other than the priest can pull that agro off you so either learn to wear plate or tone it down unless your at the end of it then by all means let loose lol. Pallys are by far one of the greatest classes created and when the level cap goes to 80 better watch out going to be a machine you cant kill period. who else do you know can bubble (prevent all damage from any sourch for nealt 15seconds) and still kick your butt at the same time? Tell me this all you warriors out there that hate on us pally's are you jealous or just plain ignorant or dumb. A smart player on a pally will always out play and tank a no brain warrior sits there and swing a sword lol jk ANd yes us pally's like haveing warriors around it cuts back on our repair bills lol remember i will hit you as hard or harder than you hit me and yes i will heal my self then hit you even hard wanna try me look me up akhekhu (the ancient god of dragons) I will show you how I hit. Mages be scared we hit you once your toast and if you think blink will help think again i just throw my mighty hammer at you and you die lol lol lolololoolololololololololollololololololololololololololololololol. Haters be gone.

Haha, whoever posts a "Paladin's can't tank" message has never had a paladin for a tank, my guild has the only paladin tank i have ever seen, last week in shattered halls 4 of our 5 man group wiped after getting Kargath down to 40 someodd percent, and our paladin tanked him for 5 minutes while we just sat there watching, then we decided we should go give him a hand, so she tanked Kargath for about 7-8 minutes all by herself, so give paladin tanks a chance, as far as i am concerned, they have every right to be standing among guilds as tanks as warriors do, and as far as weapons go, its not about the base damage, heck, your next weapon could have 60-70 more max damage than this but its not quite up to snuff if its dps is lower or its speed is slower

Edited, May 16th 2007 12:41pm by Artixkriegor

Not really, First sword I got which was even slightly better was the Crytalline Kopesh from nagrand at about 66/67. Dont Under estimate the proc on this. I have stopped using mine for Grom'tors charge now mind

I've never played a pally so feel free to flame away. IMO if a pally has a chance to roll on the book, ROLL ON IT. I hate how people come to these forums and make them look like this is Thottbot. My friend (prot tank) just got this last night and it's a sexy ass sword, cant wait to see it in action.

Pally's CAN tank, but for how long? they have a mana pool. Warriors do not.
Same thing for druids (off topic) in bear form. they make good tanks, generate hella hate but they're missing one thing. Parry (unless this changed recently).

Warriors are given the skillset to tank/dps. Pally's are given the skills to tank/heal (for a finite amount of time). To each their own imo. If you're a pally and you can tank with your mix of oddball armor pieces(tier sets are geared for heals) then by all means tank till u run outta mana, bubble, let the warriors take over, pot and start healin.

quel is still a great tanking sword. The PvP weapons are for pvp, this thing is ment for tanks, not damage dealers.

I don't know about holding aggro (though Righteous Fury does help), but thanks to its low speed, it combines very well with a Judged Seal of Light, followed with a Seal of the Crusader (or a nuking Seal if the pally needs to hold aggro). +55 hp nearly every hit, makes the hp go down much slower :-j

Yeah, this is one of the old-school swords that are still aroun....I love this sword.

Trying to say a pally tank is better than a warrior one on single targets is just stupid. I am a prot pally and i can tank through any 5/10/20 man and certain things in MC all with lvl 55-60 blues on...

The question is not whether a warrior can hold agro better. Its what types of tanking can each do better. Paladins tanks are built for AoE tanking...thats hold the agro of multiple, low-dmg targets. Warriors can in no way come even close in this department. Sure they may have a few makeshift AoE taunts, but they cannot sustain this. The only thing at this point holding paladins back is the fact that mana doesnt regen like rage...so if it is a long fight they will lose agro if they dont have pots.

This problem will be solved in the expansion. So paladins and warriors will both tank well in BC. But just in different situations. Even if a paladins can tank 1 mob fine, a warrior can do it better. That is that.


Edited, Nov 25th 2006 8:40pm by Glenan

ok, if in the new expansion paladins are getting a taunt...who cares, warriors are still the tanking class in the game. If they make paladins better than warriors at tanking i will quit, thats what happened to eq2. warriors have been and should always be the FIRST choice for tank. as far as this weapon goes?? I just want it to say i have it, hakar dropped a sword for me =), so i'm happy.

Warriors take aggro off of everybody, but most importantly Rogues and caster-classes. Rogues use their abilities to do damage to the enemy while the warrior uses his Rage abilities to make sure that the aggro is kept squarely on him, which allows him to do more damage than the Rogue, otherwise the Rogue would pick up aggro everytime his negative shouts fall off. Paladins are there to keep the warrior alive while doing damage to the enemy. Feral druids are unique in the aspect that they can do damage and heal themselves while the other classes cannot. However, they cannot do as much damage or as much healing (this comes from the fact that druids can reach 60 completely by soloing and possibly never needing a group, similar to a Warlock) as a non-split class (warrior, mage, priest, rogue - in case you never played it, those are the four core classes in old-school D&D) the split classes (Warlock, Paladin, Hunter, Shaman) are intended to be based between one or the other. Paladin and Hunter are tanks first and casters second. Shaman and Warlock are casters primarily, with added effects from the Warlock's pet and the Shaman's damage. So if you were going to build a list it would look like this:

Main line:
Warrior, Rogue, Warlock pet (Voidwalker)
Support main line:
Warlock pet (Succubus), Hunter and pet, Paladin
Rear line:
Shaman, Priest, Mage, Warlock and Imp, if for some ungodly reason you use this pet. (I have a warlock, and yes, the Imp is in the Special Olympics with a gold medal. Get a V/W or a Succ.)

That is the basis for how the classes are supposed to be played as "true" to their class.

This is not counting all of the variables present, this is just where the belong according to damage and armor class and what skills they use. Not intended to pigeonhole the classes (except mage, priest and warlock - no offense, just that you're casters and damage taking isn't exactly something you are masters at.)

NOTE: This list is compiled based on the armor and damage ratings primarily and then skills and then secondary abilities (pets etc.). The basis DOES NOT take into account damage and protection that comes from items. This list is not intended to cure or diagnose any symptoms. Never pet a burning dog. Do not swim for at least an hour after reading. May cause feelings of having your face rocked. (I owe seanbaby a quarter for that line)

kk here are MY thoughts.

Now, if Paladins shouldnt tank, why the HELL does blizzard let them use plate dumb ass? And man, i play the horde and i gotta say, Paladins can be very annoying in the BGs. But their good im not saying their a bunch of idiots, just saying their hard to beet. I think you're just @#%^ing retarded to think paladins cant tank. They cant hold aggro as good as Warriors and Druids but they can tank. Learn to play you dumb ass

I dont understand why people are getting mad at Pallies for walking around with this blade. If a pally wants to cough up 400-2500 G for the book at AH then whats the problem? The book did said it was for warriors and PALADINS only.

Is quel'serrar a good weapon to dual wield with?

Paladins will remain heal bots. Even on horde.
Warriors are the better tanks.
Shaman can dps in expansion.

The debate as to who the weapon is for is mostly moot, the book says paladins and warriors. That means by game design it's for Paladins AND Warriors. After that it comes down to a few things. Also, since the book itself doesn't bind and is a world drop, and many can be found for sale on the Auction House, it's not harming any warrior's chance to tank by a paladin having this. Simply put, forge all you want, they'll make more.

Paladins carrying and using this? Not a bad thing, every melee class needs some kind of good weapon and Quel'Serrar is a good 1H sword. It allows us to solo and PvP quite nicely. I find other items are better for instances, but then again I'm a full bore healing paladin. I've since given up the dream that paladins can solo tank anything much bigger than Scholo or Stratholme, and they have special skills to help there. So will I use this sword when I'm in an instance? Only when I want to irritate our fury warrior, but that's just some good fun. I tend to rely on my Hammer of the Grand Crusader with +22 intellect enchanted on it, and sit back and heal and buff. It's what we're best at.

Warriors, of course, love this toy. It's big, it's mean looking, it's also a badge of honor. Warriors with it can show the world they were in a group that killed Onyxia, oh and that they were fortunate enough to either find the book or the money to buy it. But that holds true for paladins as well.

As for the last part? Paladins tanking? They can off-tank. It's always been my opinion that a paladin's main job as an off tank is to sweep up stray aggro, throw a consecrate on the unattended mobs that may ag on your healers, sweep up the secondary targets until the real tank can come by, pick him up, and hold him still while your DPSers burn him down.

Oh... and Blessing of Kings? Best. Buff. Period.

My build's 31/20/0 Holy and Protection, and I'm never sitting in IF long waiting for folks to have me along to buff, heal, and save the squishies.

OY I MUST HAVE IT *drools* IM A WARCRAFT...ill stop caps....im a warcraft freak and i know all there is to know on quel serrar and/or the high blade! im a 17 warrior you can reach me on /Meltongus/ and i know im a while away but i must have!



all those with 500g give me or your souls shall be devoured by i gigantic siamese cat.......was that a little heavy?

PALADInS CAN F***Ing TANK< if ur a paladin and want to tank for FREAKING ROLL A WARRIOR< PALADINS CANT TANK . PERIOD< THEY ARE MADE FOR BACKUP HEALS AND THE BUFFS>


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